Soul Touched by Dogs

Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs
Podcast, the show for dog lovers who

see dogs not as toys or tools, but
wise souls worth our respect and care.

I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host.

I talk to poor some humans, people who
do great work for dogs and their people.

So come and join us for
today's conversation.

Anke: Hello and welcome, Elizabeth.

Anne, I'm very happy
to have you here today.

Elizabeth: I'm really
happy to be here, Anke.

Thank you so much.

Anke: And so we're both quite excited
because our lovely Suzanne Clothier,

we have to give her a little shout out.

She connected us.

And, uh, so I already know that I have
a very amazing guest in the room today.

So let's start out, let people know
where in this lovely world are you based

and what's your business with dogs.

Elizabeth: Great.

I am in Whidbey Island, Washington, and in
the great Pacific Northwest, um, and have

been here for a number of years and off
and on all over the place, um, in the U.

S.

and um, and I started, uh,
doing healing work, my gosh,

really when I was a young child.

My dad would just say, um, Sweetie, I'd
come along with, excuse me, a bird that

fell out of a nest, or a bird that flew
into the window, and he'd say, just

put it in your hands, hold it in your,
next to your heart, and send it love.

And they always flew away.

And then through my life, my young
childhood, um, everyone started bringing

me animals, you know, how that goes.

And I just do the same thing and, you
know, tweak around a little bit on

their body, but really just, Basically
doing energy work on them without really

knowing I was doing, I had a label, you
know, I didn't have a label at that time.

It was not knowing what
I was really doing.

And so just sending them love.

And so, years later, I, um, I actually
became a veterinary technician.

Um, and that was, I was thinking about
it, uh, before this podcast and it was.

45 years ago.

It's a long time.

Yeah, I just aged myself.

And, um, and I did, you know, I
learned a lot about mainstream

medicinal approaches with animals.

And so that kind of gave me a
foundation to, uh, work from and

to fill in some gaps and things.

And then of course I, I quickly flew
into the alternative medicine, which

it was really called at that time.

It's really now sort of complementary
medicine, which is wonderful,

and started doing all sorts of
human modalities on the animals.

So I was learning the human modality.

Aspect of it and then applying it to
the animals and it was working and

there were all sorts of fun things.

And in that process I learned, um, I
started studying Chinese medicine and I,

I studied eight element medicine, which
is sort of mainstream Chinese medicine.

And then I fell in love.

It was a little boring for me,
the eight element, to be honest.

Um, interesting but boring.

And then I went into five element, and
five element had this just amazing.

structure to it that made sense to me
because it's a very nature centric.

So it's, it's basically based on nature,
which most medicinal approaches were,

um, early on with all indigenous people.

And so, but it made sense to me
because I was a nature person

and, uh, really understand.

And so here was an application that I
could really resonate with, and, and

it dovetailed really nicely with all
the other modalities I was doing like,

you know, Reiki and this and that.

I mean, there were just so many cranial,
sacral, and I, I always felt I needed a

big toolbox to get what I wanted to done,
um, because I was working, with some

mainstream veterinarians that had a bigger
scope and really cared about the animals

enough to say, give it to this Elizabeth
gal and see what she can do with it.

You know, let go see her and see what
she can do because their options,

they ran out of their options.

And so, so it was a nice, um, A nice,
uh, intro that I had the veterinary

technician, you know, the medical
training, and then the, um, and

then went into the alternative.

So, so Five Element became one
of my loves, and I started.

Um, telling my clients after the first
visit, I'd take a really, a really

big, um, history, and I'd get a lot of
information on the animal, and behaviors,

and personalities, and things like that.

And, um, and I started sharing with
my clients what element I thought

They, their animal was whether it
was a typically horse or dog, but

sometimes cats, cats are cats.

So sometimes we can apply it.

Sometimes we can't.

They're shapeshifters in their own right.

And, um, and so, um, but many other,
you know, farm animals and things too.

And, um, and that was, um,
that was just this powerful.

lens that ended up going out into the
world because what would happen is

my clients would think about what the
animal was and maybe that was, you

know, primary and secondary I'd be
talking about and then they'd go home

and they'd chew on it and then they'd
come back the next visit and they'd

say, oh my god, I finally figured out
my husband, you know, and I, I, he's a

wood element, you know, and now I get it.

I just, I've been, you know, in angst
over how, why does he do what he does

all the time, you know, and that's
the whole thing about five element.

Why do they do what they do?

And that's the personality piece that I,
I plucked out to engage the client in it

and, you know, kind of, so they didn't.

So they could have an understanding
of some piece in the five element,

because it's a giant ancient
structure, healing structure, with

a lot of moving targets in it.

You know, there's moving
pieces everywhere.

So basically what I did was pluck out
the personality piece, hand it over to

them and say, Okay, because behavior
and personality of the animal and

stress responses are one of our primary
indicators for five element work.

So we look at the whole animal.

We're not just looking at a body
part or an organ or a meridian.

We're really looking at who is that
dog or who is that horse or animal,

um, and why do they do what they do?

And so the why the Why do they do what
they do part was really important to me.

Um, because I started feeling
like, oh, it gives people an

understanding of the animal.

They are starting to understand
and, um, and understanding I

think makes the world go around.

I really truly believe that Anke.

And, um, and it's, it's, it's, It's
precious and it, it provides acceptance

for us sometimes inside, you know, at
least a little vein of acceptance to

understand why they do what they do.

And these are archetypal personalities
based on the five elements.

And so, So that was just a really,
um, powerful thing and then through

the years all my clients said, when
are you going to write the book?

When are you going to write the book?

So I finally semi retired and
decided to write the book.

So I wrote, um, Know
Your Dog's True Nature.

It's an understanding canine personality
through the five elements and it's

traditionally published through Inner
Traditions, but it's available all

over the world and, um, and What I'd
like to do next, if I could, is just

breeze through the five elements
and kind of give everyone a, a

feel for, for what the animals are.

And we'll, of course, do that.

I would

Anke: love that.

I would love that.

And I would also, I mean, I have
so many more questions, but, but,

um, yes, please do kind of get,
I'm just like, my mind is spinning.

Like I'm, I'm involved in like a
type, in a Qigong class, and it's

all about the five elements, right?

So I'm really kind of
curious to see where.

You know, where the parallels are.

And I kind of, you know, hadn't,
well, it doesn't make sense

to apply to personalities.

Like it makes, and yes, if we, I
mean, it's the same with people.

Like if somebody is an idiot and
we kind of know where he's coming

from, then it's almost like, yeah, it
doesn't mean I need to agree, but it

doesn't upset me as much, you know,
it's almost like I can let it go.

I can, I can kind of live
with it or work with it.

So I think, yes, that makes.

So much sense to me.

So, yeah, I mean, one thing, if you,
you know, go through the five and I

would love to know what, you know, I
mean, I, I love how you said, well,

oh yeah, the vets kind of trusted you
because you're kind of like traditional,

like traditionally trained, trained.

So they kind of send people to you,
but say, If clients come to you,

what are kind, what are the kind
of things that people come to you

for, where you kind of apply that?

So if you can tell the kind of
like on the back of the, of the,

of the five, you know, or, or start
out with it, whatever, but that's

definitely something I'm curious about.

Elizabeth: Perfect, perfect, yeah,
so, so because it's a nature centric

approach to healing, um, they start
with seasons, um, and seasons are, um,

part of each element, so each element
archetype, so think of them as archetypes.

And so the first one is spring,
because spring is sort of when our

world starts opening up, right?

Everything has, is full of potential,
has, is, has new growth, burgeoning

forth, um, really, you know, just
potentials in the air, and it's all

coming up out of the ground, out of
the trees, and that's the wood element.

So we call that the wood element,
and these dogs are incredible.

They're athletes, they're competitive,
they're highly intelligent, and they

love to be trained and have a job or
do something like, um, uh, agility

that's really a challenge for them.

They really need challenges
and they're amazing dogs.

And when you think about all the potential
they have and how they, how they live and

breathe that potential, hope, excuse me,
um, And, and the wood element is, um, is

often pigeonholed into some working dogs,
uh, like, um, police dogs, military dogs.

I was just

Anke: thinking malleys and border collies.

Elizabeth: Yeah, border collies
are a little different sometimes,

but, but it crosses over and
just a quick note on that.

The breeds, We don't type them by breeds
with the elements, but we often see

patterns of breeds in the elements.

So, um, German Shepherds are often wood,
uh, Malinois are wood, um, Rottweilers

can be wood if they have enough oomph
to them, you know, um, and, um, so, so

the wood element is just this amazing
being, um, you know, they're brave.

You think about military dogs
going into bombing buildings and,

you know, watching all that death,
and they just, they're stout.

And so, when you think about a tree,
trees are resilient, aren't they?

You know, they try to be, and, um, and
their growth is, um, potential is amazing.

And, and so, so we look at that, and
a real quick thing that we look for

through all of this, and I'll mention
these, is um, the stress response.

Because that's how we're
going to tell what our dog is.

So that's a little, a little
tidbit for everyone to think about.

And the stress response for the wood
element is um, is In human world, uh,

five element, it's anger, but we know our
dogs don't really have anger, but they

have a, they have impatience, they have
frustration, um, they have aggression

due to over protectiveness oftentimes, or
just aggression, you know, For whatever

reason, because their needs aren't met,
and um, and in my book, I go through

a lot of needs and wants and supports
for all of these animals, so it's all

in there, and it's, it's actually all,
everybody says it's such a fun, great

read, comprehensive with all of that,
so we don't have time today, so, so

that's kind of the wood animal, so if you
have a dog that gets impatient because

you're overtraining them, or um, Uh,
you know, they're, they're just, they

need challenge and they need, also need
boundaries because that's what keeps them

really becoming good at what they do.

Um, and then the last thing about
the wood dog, uh, for support

is movement is their medicine.

These dogs can't lay around all day.

They need to move because they're athletic
and they have that competitive nature.

So, so that's the wood element.

The, sorry, I'm getting blings.

I don't know if you can
hear, but I apologize.

Um, notifications.

Um, and so the, uh, the next element is
the summer season and that's the fire dog.

And the fire dog is, a party animal diva.

They are extremely social.

They love to have fun.

They just, and everyone loves them.

So one thing I want you to do, uh,
through this, uh, process, I, as I

explained them is think about the
element actually in nature, not the

animal, but the element in nature.

So fire like warms us, right?

It, it, And we discovered we
could cook food with it, you know,

thousands and thousands of years ago.

And, and it's just this amazing
thing that you're drawn to often,

but it also has the ability to burn
down houses and forests, right?

It's, so it has this emotional range.

The fire element archetypes
have an emotional range.

Happy, happy, happy, happy, happy.

Then it turns into what we call in Chinese
medicine, excess joy, which sounds like

it should be a good thing, but it is not.

And, um, and that starts to
precipitate a disturbance of the shen.

And, um, and that disturbance of
the shen, um, is like, almost like

a panic attack or an anxiety attack.

And so, so when that happens, we have
to ground ourselves as, are, you know,

wonderful handlers we are, um, and take
a deep breath and go into whatever is

panicking this dog and just quiet, calm
them down because they're always up like

a healing balloon like this, you know,
and, and they're, they have what, okay,

that's the one, yeah, they have what I
call charismatic magnetism and that's

where, People are drawn to these dogs.

They'll walk across the street to
come and pet your dog if you have

a fire dog, and the fire dog is
just loving every minute of it.

And that's part of its support,
is you have to be able to

have that dog be social.

Not just with other dogs, and many
of them can't do other dogs, but with

humans, where they get Adoration, you
know, they're adored by these humans

and they get all this love and they just
soak it all in and then they just spread

all this goodness around and I always
say with the fire dog, the fire dogs

I've had that people ask me 10 years
after they've passed on into the other

world, um, Uh, they'll say, Oh, do you
ever miss, you know, Sage or, or Louis?

I miss them all the time.

You know, they, they have this huge
fan club, so people remember these

dogs and, and they are memorable.

They're just these bright spots, these
bright lights in our, in our world.

So same with fire people.

Um, so next we move to the.

Late summer, they call it, which
is sort of like an Indian summer.

Sometimes they call it or, um, you know,
the end of summer before autumn comes.

And that's the earth dog.

And the earth element dog is,
um, a nurturer, a caregiver.

They're very, uh, kid loving.

They're like.

You know, kind of the big yellow labs
that like to hang around with the kids

and watch over them, and every other
animal on your farm, you know, they just

love them and they keep track of them,
and they're not really protecting so

much, um, like the wood element would do.

Or, or the metal, which we'll get to next.

But they're actually, um, they're
actually just watching over

everyone, you know, and just making
sure all the families together.

And they love that.

And they're, they're absolute foodies.

So they gain weight by
looking at food, typically.

So that's one of their detriments.

And, um, and so we need to really
support them by, in two ways.

One is to make sure we.

Um, we give them good calorie food, not
tons and tons of treats, because they're

great at asking us for treats in the way
that you almost have to give them, because

they're so adorable, and they're so loving
and caring, and you're like, okay, you

can have one, you know, and that adds up.

And in old age, that really adds up
because their metabolism slows down.

Um, there are organs associated with
all these that's in my book and we

don't have time to talk about it today,
but there's our digestive organs.

So their metabolism will slow down.

So enzymes are really good
support for these dogs.

Um, just.

Uh, routine based lifestyle is
very important for these dogs too,

um, because they like routine.

They're the ones that are, you know,
if they had a wristwatch, they'd be

looking at their wrist two minutes
before dinner and coming and getting you

and saying, Mom, it's time for dinner.

You know, it's time for breakfast.

So, um, So that's the earth element and
they're just wonderful, lovable dogs.

They, they kind of cross over with the
ultimate friendliness with the fire dog,

you know, um, and they're just, they're
steadfast and they're wonderful animals.

And the next one is the autumn dog and
that is Um, a metal dog, a metal element.

And so when you think, Oh, uh, can
I back up for a second on earth?

I'm going to back up because I wanted
to make that relationship with nature.

So when you think about the
earth, you think about how it.

fosters community.

So, you know, whether it's plants or
people or animals or wildlife, there's

community, you know, in, in earth.

And so, so that's really important to
start thinking that way of how solid

and grounded it is and how much it's,
It's there for us, you know, we are

on earth, you know, and we, we are
earth and so aren't these animals.

So back to the metal dog.

The metal dog is, um, so think
about metal in nature and

that's, metal is rigid, right?

And, um, and it's, it's not very flexible.

So we have a lot of, of work
to do to try to get that, um,

animal to learn to be flexible.

somewhat flexible, but
they're just really not.

And we call them the librarians
because they're highly, highly

intelligent, probably even more so
than the wood, wood dog, um, which

is probably at the close to the top.

Um, but the medals are, you know,
you think of librarians of old and

you think about kind of, they're
kind of rigid, like don't put that

book there, you know, and, um, and
they're, they're highly intelligent.

They're not super.

These animals, the metal elements, don't
like being touched a lot, so they're the

dog that you'll walk up with, if you have
one, you'll walk up to someone, and the

person will kind of want to pet the dog
or interact with the dog in some way,

and the dog will just sit turn their
head sideways and not look at the person.

They're like, no, I don't
care to interact with you.

You know, and that's, that's
partly because they are an

extremely purpose driven animal.

If there's one word to describe
a metal element, it's purpose.

And, and they need a job.

They absolutely need a job.

Wood dogs can play and they can do
agility and they can do all that.

But metal elements do best with a job.

And you see these dogs all over.

A lot of them are Border Collies.

You know, if they don't
have a job, they make a job.

So they start, you know,
Australian Shepherds do that.

Um, Terriers, a lot of
metal dogs are Terriers.

And, you know, they have to have a job.

They're, they're very businesslike.

And, um, and when they don't, they grieve.

And they, they get, um, sad if
they lose a bonded handler, or

they lose a job, or they lose a
bonded, um, animal in the house.

You will see them grieve.

So they're, they're very, very
interesting, but they're really

vital to our world, you know, very
important, uh, because they're in, they

are the best search and rescue dogs.

Um, we also talk in the book about
sense organs for each, uh, element.

And their sense organ is their nose, so
we all know that dogs have incredible

noses to do great work for the, you
know, out there in the world, but

these dogs have a few more cells in
there that make them the top notch.

And I used to do search
and rescue and these.

The metal dogs were the top dogs
that you wanted to work with.

They never tire.

They just do their job,
and they're so good at it.

So something to think about for
support for them is if you don't,

if you have a metal dog and you're
not Give them some kind of job.

Make a job around the house
or, you know, figure that out.

Um, sometimes just going to
nose work classes is really

helpful, scent work classes.

Um, and that will, um, that will make
them feel like they're working and

they're using their body to work.

And the last dog is the winter dog, and
the winter dog is the water element.

And, um, these animals
are incredibly special.

We call them our four
legged spiritual teachers.

Um, that's one of the many names for them.

They're, they're the
quintessential empaths.

And we all know that our dogs are
Empathic and they feel our feelings.

Mm hmm.

Often dark dogs, too.

Sometimes black or black and brown.

Yep.

Um, and they feel our feelings, but
these dogs feel our feelings well

before we ever feel our feelings.

So they're just, they're
just highly highly sensitive.

When you think of water in nature,
um, you know, it can be, it can

shape shift all over the place.

So it can be snow, it can be ice, it
can be mist, it can be rain, it can

be the ocean, it can be a tsunami, it
can be a calm pond or pool, a running

river flowing, you know, um, so there's,
water shape shifts itself all the time.

And these animals do.

So one of the ways we know you, uh,
that you have a water element is

by noticing that they're, they're
pretending to be all the other elements.

So they're, they like wear a mask
sometimes and, and it'll drive you

crazy trying to figure the element out.

And there are quizzes in the book.

So those really help discern once
people read everything, then they

start picking out the elements.

And then once they do the
quizzes, it really solidifies.

What's in there.

And, um, and so when these water elements
shapeshift, you know, uh, especially

young water elements, I have one now,
she's just going to turn three and

she's finally figured out who she is.

Um, But they will become a wood
element one day, act really

woody, maybe even for a week.

And then next thing you know, they're,
they're acting like an earth element.

And then the next thing you
know, they're a metal element.

And, um, and then sometimes
they're just this fire dog.

And, um, and they're
just amazing like that.

So they really transform a lot.

They're also very, very sensitive
to energetic disturbances.

Um, so, any kind of power lines or
pesticides, herbicides, all of that,

will create problems with, these are like
the canaries in the coal mine for us.

And, you know, And their goal in their
life is to make us learn more about

ourselves and about the world around us.

That really, truly is.

We all agree on that.

The goal of the animal is to make
us a better human in a lot of ways.

And, um, and And so they will come up with
things that the veterinarians can't figure

out and people go to five or six vets.

And it's not until you really get on
Google or wherever chats and start

connecting with others to find out
the symptoms that you learn it.

And by the time you figure
it out, it's all gone.

So, but it often can be
those energetic disturbances.

So remember that they're
highly sensitive beings.

So they're going to be more
sensitive to those aspects.

And, um, and they're just, they're
just really special, special animals.

Um, I can't say enough about them.

Their one, uh, issue is their
stress response is fear.

And, um, and it's not.

Simple fear?

It's visceral fear.

It's the kind of fear that brings in the
sympathetic dominant, you know, behavior

of, I can't hear you, I can't hear you,
I can't hear you, I just have to run.

And so they can, you know, horses
can tear down barns, um, their sense

organ is hearing, so loud noises,
fireworks, gunshots, backfires of

cars, things that are sudden, a big
loud noise will, will almost always

hit almost every water animal.

And some of them have enough of a
secondary element of maybe a wood

that's, you know, fearless with
all those sounds or an earth that's

easygoing where they won't, um, they
won't react as big, but a lot of

the really pure water elements just.

They just react.

So

Anke: that's fascinating.

Yeah, I kind of like, you know, they've
got my two boys, they've like this one

crossed the bridge in April, this one
three years ago into two girls I have now.

I feel like I'm here.

I was like, yeah, that's her.

This is him.

Like he was full on water.

Like, so how do you, because that was
one of my questions, like, how do you

know, but from your description, it's
like, well, this is Mother Earth.

Well, clearly.

You know, so here's Mr.

Spire, you know, it's like, it's so
easy, like, just listening to you is

like, is that Am I likely to be correct
with that first gut feel reaction?

Or will I find that I probably, if I do
the quiz, it will come out differently?

Or like, how do you look at a
dog and come to the conclusion

which is the dominant element?

Elizabeth: You know, I just get
a sense because I've been doing

this for 35 years, I guess, I've
known the five element theory.

So, um, so, uh, I've seen so many animals
and hearing the behaviors of the animals,

especially under stress, are really,
um, where, where we look, it's the,

it's the best way besides the quizzes.

The quizzes sort of validate
what you're sensing.

So you, we all know our animals and
we're so, Um, you know, enmeshed

with them, uh, hopefully and, and we
want to know who they are and we want

to know why they do what they do.

Um, and so a lot of it is, you know, just
observation and what the book does is it,

it takes all those like sort of missing
links that we have and it just puts it

all into A framework and many, actually
many different frameworks in the book

because we wanted everyone to be able
to learn every way and to have support.

Um, there's some
acupressure points in there.

Um, there's a old dog
section for each element.

There's a rescue dog
section for each element.

Um, we even have a, we have scenarios.

You know, and lots and lots of stories
that really depict who the animals

are, um, you know, at any given moment.

And so the one thing we need to
always remember is that there

are, we all have five elements,
all of us, including us humans.

And, um, and it's just
a game of percentages.

Like what one did you
come into the world with?

Um, you know, the water elements,
when they come in, they're dealing

with some karmic issue around fear.

There's usually something that's really
happened bad at birth, pre birth, um,

or just post birth, that is there, that
created a fear deep in there, and they've

got to learn to work through it, and they
need a really solid handler to do that.

So when we know that, we can, Those
are the most rehomed dogs, by the

way, those and the wood elements,
because they're misunderstood so much,

and they're not, you know, they're
in the respect of their responses

to stress, they're not easy keepers.

So people send them back
into the system all the time.

I'm not surprised.

Anke: Yeah, because like here, mister,
he was exactly that, like, very fearful

and noisy thing, you know, and I,
I, like, I've been told a million

times, you know, like, most people
would not have handled that dog.

You know, because he was so like
highly strung and, and, you know, and

as you were saying like, you know,
the, the, the biggest teacher that

was him, you know, because if you
have an easy to handle dog, then you

think, Oh yeah, I know about dogs.

I know how to give treats and that's it.

Right.

So he would not respond to any of that.

Like, you know, all the normal stuff
just would not work, you know, you

pull on the leash like a maniac.

And, you know, and I remember the moment I
read somewhere where somebody said, look,

your only job is to help this dog relax.

You know, and I would, in the moment,
I could see that all, everything he did

was an expression of hypersensitivity.

It's like the way I looked
at him was different.

All of a sudden everything
made sense, you know?

Yeah.

And the moment I could offer
him a calmer environment, he

turned into a different dog.

You know, acceptance, right?

There's some

Elizabeth: acceptance for
who he is, who that guy was.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that made

Anke: such a difference because, you know,
well, we moved into a quiet area and all

of a sudden there he was, belly up, which
had never happened before, you know,

because he was always like on edge like
that, you know, and it was such a, I mean,

I, I, I saw, I mean, Actually looking at
what you are sharing through the lens of

oh, what are my dogs and how much knowing
that and knowing their reactions and

their go to when they're under stress,
like that's Because that's the piece,

you know, like knowing to knowing to
basically put them into their category.

That's one thing, right.

But I think what's so obvious here
is how that knowing can really help

us support them in the best way.

Right.

And that seems to be what I've
heard very different for the

different types, what they need in
order to be come back to balance.

It's very different for each of them.

Elizabeth: Yeah, yeah.

And that's all in the book in, in, like I
said, in, in sort of many different ways.

So, you know, everyone learns
differently and everyone, uh, reads

things and picks out different parts.

And so, you know, I, my goal was really
to, um, to bring this out into the world

for the dogs, but in the second half
of the book, it's all about humans.

So we have human archetypes in there
and we have great stories on that.

And then the last part
is the relationship.

Um, so it's a weaving
in and out of elements.

Like how does this element
work with that element?

And what do you do?

There's no bad relationships.

There's none.

It's, it's usually a learning process.

And that's, that's, you know,
through every single dog will, you

will learn something if you can
see them for who they are, except.

Who they are and work with it.

So, and you know, um, I think
I love the dog training world.

There's some fabulous people out there
like Suzanne, just understanding.

And Suzanne is an archetype person too.

So we, we really gel with this because
we both see, yeah, we both see the

archetypes and we just sort of calling
them different things in a way.

But, um, but I really.

believe that it can make a
huge difference in the world.

And I, I feel like I've teamed
up with the dogs on this book to

make the world a better place, you
know, where we're not all so much

judgment and everything out there.

And, and what if we could just
understand a little more and, um, you

know, find at least within ourselves,
Self acceptance for that person.

You don't have to accept their behaviors
and things, but you can, at least within

your own heart, you can accept, um, who
they are and just, and be okay with that

instead of, you know, we get torn up
sometimes because we go through difficult

situations with the dogs and the dogs are
our training wheels for ourselves to learn

ourselves and then to learn about others.

Um, so yeah, they're, they're.

I could

Anke: not agree more.

That's so.

So powerful.

So where, well, obviously the question
is, where can people go find the book?

And, you know, we're going
to just already tease people.

I'd love to come have you back for,
you know, for like one of the live

masterclasses where we can just have
more time and unpack a little bit more.

And, uh, you know, people can ask
questions and really sort of dig in a

little bit more and how to, you know, know
what the archetypes of like your dogs are.

And, you know, and I'm like, Is that
staying the same or does that change?

I've got loads of questions still.

But, um, you know, and also then, you
know, what are the different ways to

support the different kinds of dogs and
how does, you know, also which person

archetype goes how with which dog.

And so there's a whole world.

to explore which, um, you know,
just if you're listening, I'm gonna

invite her back to kind of dig in a
whole lot deeper into all of this.

So for today, where can
people find out about you?

Where can they get hold of the book?

Elizabeth: Yes, so my book just
launched last Tuesday, September 10th.

So, um, that was, um,
amazing to have it come out.

So it's in, It's everywhere
around the world except Germany

because we haven't translated.

Um, and then, um, but if you go
on any Amazon, so E U A U N Z E,

I think, and of course, U S, and
what's, okay, I'll tell my publishers.

Um, so, um, I'll definitely, uh, uh, tell
the publisher and, um, Uh, so you can get

it anywhere there, or Barnes and Noble,
Simon Schuster, Inner Traditions, um,

BAM, which is Books A Million, Bookshop.

org, and I think a whole bunch of other
smaller ones that are carrying it.

So, um, one thing we can do is, if
anyone has a brick and mortar bookstore

near them, which I love brick and
mortars, you know, I, I'm, Getting gray

hair, so I'm of that ilk of, of that.

And that was only 30 years ago.

I just realized the other day, 30
years ago, we were buying books, which

seems like a long time to someone,
some folks, but it feels like a, you

know, a snap moment in time to me.

But, um, yeah.

But so your brick and mortars will,
uh, if you ask them to order it, they

can, uh, order it through, uh, inner
traditions because they do, you know,

they send books all over the world.

So yeah.

And there's a Kindle on
Amazon for Kindle people.

So yeah.

Anke: Awesome.

Awesome.

Awesome.

So we'll obviously put all the links in
the show notes and underneath and below

this video, wherever you're watching this.

So it's not going to be hard to find.

Thank you so much.

This was, you know, it's almost like, you
know what it feels like We've just had

an appetizer and now I'm really hungry.

Elizabeth: That's great.

Thank

Anke: you so much for coming and
I can't wait to have you back.

Elizabeth: Okay, Anke.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thanks so much for listening.

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