Soul Touched by Dogs

Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs
Podcast, the show for dog lovers who

see dogs not as toys or tools, but
wise souls worth our respect and care.

I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host.

I talk to poor some humans, people who
do great work for dogs and their people.

So come and join us for
today's conversation.

Anke: Hello and welcome
back in the studio.

Heather, I'm delighted to have you back.

I know who just thought it.

I know, I know.

I know.

Last time we spoke, which is quite
a while ago, you were here to talk

about your experience with your lovely
foster dog and, uh, so now you are back

because he inspired you so you know.

Let me repeat the question.

You know, what's your
business with dogs these days?

Heather: Yeah, I think my last
conversation with you out loud was

around, um, dogs being our mirrors
and how much my foster dog, like at

the time, I really wasn't keeping him.

Uh, cute.

Uh.

And he has been my
greatest gift right now.

Didn't think God ever said that after
we experienced him, you know, aggressive

in the house, et cetera, et cetera,
and, um, not necessarily behaving in

the way you would love a dog to behave.

Let's put it that way, right?

Mm-hmm.

Um, and so he, he evoked a lot of.

Self-inquiry or, you know, what am I doing
that is creating this situation for him?

What, what is it about me that has
caused this particular situation

and what's going on with me?

So my, my current work still current
work was working with human beings all

around kind of clearing, releasing,
dissolving, any stored or trapped

kind of emotions, feelings stuck.

From in and around our body, right?

So being able to express themselves,
that's in a way that's true for them.

Um, and not less necessarily
reacting or responding from a place

of potentially fear or whatever.

So because of the foster dog, I've
extended my work to now include

supporting dogs, also to have.

That capability, right, to be able
to clear release and dissolve any

and all thoughts and feelings.

Programs, identities that, that they
have, let's say, taken on or become

as a result of their previous life
experiences or previous human leadership

they've experienced, um, and also
passed on through generations and, and

their breed, for example, um, I mean.

Let's not go there with this full
conversation, but, you know, the

temperament of a dog, um, or a particular
breed is created through generations and

generations, you know, so what one would
say, oh, it's typical for a rot roller to

be, um, overly protective, for example.

So what I've been doing since our last
conversation is really being able to

look at and explore what goes on in a
dog's body similar to a human, and in

what aspect or what area of the dog's
body certain things will manifest

and maybe store or trap themselves.

Not to go into all of the worlds
and why house and all of that stuff.

Um, what's useful is I know that
you offered one of my dog activation

experiences already, or will be, and
I'll, so I'll start on our focus on

particularly that aspect and it's
called doubtless, um, activating

doubtless, a doubtless dog, right?

I know what, and, and what that
contains is a few commands for the

human person that's caring for that dog.

The, the main carer, right?

The, the person that's the
extension or the dog's.

Um, an extension of their being, right.

Um, for them to have a few commands to be
able to have themselves, the human be in a

place of no doubt, an absolute certainty.

That's what the activation creates for the
human, and therefore then the dog, right?

Because they're an
extension of their being.

And what happens with that is it's.

Once somebody commits themself with
conviction to like really working on

that particular aspect, they start
to embody the, the no doubt and,

and no, um, and no uncertainty kind
of way of being in their nervous

system, their central nervous system.

'cause it's about us neutralizing
the human being's central

nervous system so that the dog.

Also start neutralizing their
own central nervous system, which

enables them to operate also without
any doubt or with no uncertainty.

Mm.

And so, and that's just
one aspect of, of, of,

I guess.

All the other avenues that we could
explore, um, in a human's natural

organs and bodily systems and functions.

And the same with the dog.

Anke: So that, well, that, that sounds
like it makes a lot of sense to me because

I've definitely noticed that, you know,
I was kinda like, oh yeah, uncertainty.

That's so, and I'm thinking when I'm
looking at the difference between me now,

me, 20 years ago when Leo stumbled and he
was my first dog, and I certainly did not

have a lot of, you know, like grounded
certainty and, and you could tell.

I've often had the sense he looks at
me, he clearly loves me, and he doesn't

trust me fully because he goes like,
you don't know what you're doing.

Like I, you know, so whereas like
now my big girls, like when there's

something like they, they stay behind me.

Yeah, you got that.

You know, because they know that
like, you know, don't miss now, but

it's like, you could tell how that
actually, how they pick up on that.

So it makes perfect sense now.

I'm so, so the activation that is below
here, probably either in the, in the

show notes or directly on the below.

The below this, uh, so
obviously that's for people.

That's not to play to the dog, right?

Heather: Well, they can also hear that,
but what, but what they will, where they

will learn it the most and start embodying
it the most, is when the human being

uses that command out loud to themselves.

Yeah.

That's where they'll start
because they're a sponge.

Right, totally.

Like children.

Yeah.

And other adults.

Yeah.

You know, we, we learn off each other.

Um, and, and that's why I say the
more conviction someone does it with.

Um, the, the quicker they will embody
it and, and, and in any situation, not

just when they're with their dog, but
even if they're facing something in

life where they don't know the outcome,
this is amazing for that because they

can command exactly the two responses
that I've shared, and straight away

they'll feel a complete shift in their
whole body because they are essentially.

Doing what the brain mind
is actually designed to do.

Yeah.

Anke: So how did, how did you,
how did you discover this?

Like kind of, I'm sort of really curious.

So now there's your dog, you know, your
foster dog has kind of gotten you to

see, well, hey, actually, you know.

When I'm feeling like this, he, there
is that connection that's really strong.

So he will hook into what, how you
are feeling, what's going on for you.

So what happened in between realizing
that and now creating these resources

to help other people with their dogs?

Heather: I was living it.

I was living in a house of fear.

I was living, I was walking out
the house in a full of fear, right?

And we were just passing
fear back from one another.

It was like freaking
fear ping pong, right?

It was just like, oh, I'm
fearful, fearful here.

Shit, I'm gonna be fearful here.

You know?

At my reaction was fight,
flight or freeze his reaction.

Fight.

Fight or freeze.

You know, like, uh.

It was just fear.

Fear, merry-go-round.

Anke: How, how did that
impact your other dog?

Heather: Well, if I'm honest, she
became even more, she became more

protective because she could see
the ping ponging fear going on.

Um, and obviously her initial
reaction was, something's not,

someone's not safe, that I love.

You know?

So there was more protective behavior.

So it started from there and I was just
like, well, I mean, if I'm honest, I

had a big breakthrough, shall we say,
on my knees in tears as I was walking

my resident dog Tessie one morning
about six months ago, because I was

just like really doubting myself.

And like self-sabotaging really,
because I was just like, why have you

made this stupid decision to take on
a dog that has no socialization at

all, not been socialized, you know,
co completely fearful, you know,

why have you made this decision?

Are you absolutely stupid?

Right?

You know, all these thoughts, feelings.

Totally self-sabotaging myself
over the decision I made.

And then I literally was just getting
into this set of gates into a meadow near

me, and I dropped to my knees and I went,
because it is my mission, because it is

always been my mission, which is too.

Myself personally, from the
age of six years old, to always

feel better within myself.

Sorry to always feel good within myself
every day, because from the age of six,

I'd go to bed at night hoping to feel
good in the morning, hoping to feel

better in the morning every day, right?

And I was stuck and trapped in feeling
hopeless because, let's be honest,

feeling good, happy, and healthy.

If we attach it to anything outside
of our phenomenal body, right?

Then we are always gonna experience, uh,
let's say a seesaw, you know, um, treating

our happiness or health, like there's
always gonna feel like an imbalance.

You need to choose one
over the other, you know?

Anyway, so over the last 40 years, 'cause
I'm 47 now, over the last 40 years, I

have literally either been entrenched
in feelings and emotions, walking

through feelings and emotion like that.

It's always been there.

It's just not to the extent where I can
command it to go and also get to the

point where I know what's underneath.

Those emotions and feelings, whether it
be in a dog or a human being, is joy,

constant joy, like this constant state
of being that is not yo-yoing up and down

based on their current circumstances.

Um, and, and, and behind it,
you know, that inner knowing.

That you are always safe, right?

Because that's the biggest thing
a dog wants to know, especially if

they've come from a very unstable and
let's say survival type environment.

You know, the first thing they're gonna
need to, and they say decompress from,

is their ability to feel safe again.

Yeah.

Anke: Yeah, for sure.

Heather: Um, and that's why
I say the doubt doubtless

part is, is where we start.

It's like the foundation, the baseline
of the way I work, whether it's with

humans or humans and their dogs,
because otherwise, if they didn't

clear that program within their
nervous system, they wouldn't then.

Come back or ask for other resources
or even wanna work with me because they

would just doubt that it was Oh yeah.

That's so true.

Possibly.

And it's

Anke: also the ground.

I mean, it's like what I mean Oh, totally.

It is the foundation.

That's why I giggled before
when I, when you Oh yeah.

That's, that's like it to make
so much sense to stand there.

Yeah.

You know, to have that, that confident
confidence in your own decisions.

Yeah.

Then, you know, it's like, I
think it's, it's at the heart of.

Allowing a dog to kind of feel, oh
yeah, no, she knows what she's doing.

Like, yeah, I can, I can relax here.

I can, you know, like, so there's
that, but it's also at the root of

everything else that comes after it.

So if you have, if you, if you're wobbling
here, and if you second guess yourself

every five minutes, then nothing will
stick and nothing will will change.

So.

So now when somebody comes to you, um.

And like, what do, what would somebody
come, or what do people come to you for

or with, or, you know, like what, what
will they say when they first arrive?

Like, my dog's going crazy,
or are they coming to work on

themselves and they just, the, the
dog happens to benefit as well?

Or how does that play out now?

Heather: Well, I, it, whatever we're
suppressing as a human, the dog

is expressing and whether that is.

In their reactions.

Um, and, and that's, um, from
a physical or, or total like

response to certain things in life.

So someone's come to me 'cause
their dog's got blistering paws.

Now the vets are like.

What we don't know, like, let's do
all these tests and come and spend two

grand and we'll do all these tests and
find out what the problem is, right?

But what they're not doing is
looking at the root cause of

that, and that's where I come in.

So I've discovered the root cause
of aids, the root cause of COVID-19.

The, um, sorry, long covid right,
discovered the root cause of

all mental health challenges.

There's a clue in there.

Activation, um, 'cause
we do mental health.

These are created by us feeling in a state
of uncertainty or doubt for all the time.

Right?

Because as you've alluded to,
there's that second guessing,

there's that questioning of self.

There's that not being able to
discern between truth or lie, right?

It's that.

That causes this, why
am I feeling this way?

And then there's a whole
crescendo of stuff that goes

on inside us after that point.

So it's more about.

Say a horse, why would a horse
reject, um, a new saddle or someone

riding it with a new saddle?

Um, when they're completely comfortable
with the person that's leading it,

have been around them for a long time.

Don't seem to be bothered by the person,
but not happy with them riding it.

There's no pain.

They've had all the vet checks, they
can, why would they reject a person

getting on them in the first place?

Right.

And let's assume there's nothing
going on with the human being.

Hmm.

Anke: But

Heather: what if that horse has been
rescued, has in any way got stored,

trapped or hidden, um, feelings of
inadequacy from in and around its lungs,

right?

So I guess the quick answer is I work
with people who struggle to find an

explanation to actually what's going on.

Yeah.

That they've tried everything,
supplements, medication, whether

that being the dog, another
animal, human being, right.

They've tried all of it.

They've tried to wean themself off being
addicted to, let's say, alcohol, drugs.

Work fitness.

Right.

And what they've found is over time that
maybe their health has declined as a

result of them being addicted to fitness.

And so they've kind of weaned themself
off that, but then only to find

themself be addicted to something else.

Mm.

Right.

So what's that about?

Why do we do that?

Yeah.

And so that's why.

My work is unexplainable, but very
simple and easy, and there's nothing

spiritual or woo woo about it.

But he is essentially taking back,
becoming autonomous in your body.

Anke: Hmm.

And that's priceless when
you think about it, right?

You know, to kind of, because I mean, I
think that it is, I mean, what did I say

to you though before I came on the call?

The magnitude of what I've discovered.

Yeah.

Because I can see that it's
like, obviously, you know.

With people.

There's that whole spiritual route,
you know, where people can go in

and, and, and looking for answers.

But it feels to me like if we wanna
kind of, kind of look at the dogs, it's

like, you know, if there's something
you can go to trainer, you know,

depending on who you go to, they will go.

They will start at safety or they're
not, like if they're just fiddling

around with behavior, you're gonna
know that's gonna always gonna

be, you know, fragile surface.

Heather: Yeah.

Not sustainable.

Anke: Exactly.

Right.

Yeah.

Or you go to a to if, if it's some
sort of health issue, you go to the

bed and they go like, exactly how,
like that's exactly my experience.

Like, oh, we have no clue what's going on.

Let's do a bunch of tests and then
we still have no clue, you know?

So, 'cause again, it's only looking at.

Symptoms.

Right.

It's never looking underneath.

The dog can't tell you
what's up, you know?

Yes.

So it makes perfect
sense, right, to go into.

Totally.

So can you share, I don't know, maybe an
example for some typical relationships,

if you say, like my dog, 'cause I
remember there's this, um, Kevin Beehan

spoke like, your dog is your mirror.

And one example that I remember was when
somebody had, uh, a dog who wouldn't.

Kind of respond well to children.

And there was something in her own that
was literally was like, oh, I hate kids.

Right?

It was like, it was like, oh, right.

That would, you know, so there was like
a really kind of a, a connection there.

You know?

Do you have some example from somebody
or like some, you know, for somebody to

kind of picture what that could look like.

For example, obviously it may not
be the same in for their dog, right?

But if you say, like, I have a dog who.

Kind of goes for the mailman or,
you know, doesn't, doesn't, uh,

Heather: adversity towards men.

Right?

So in your example, again, it would all
start with clearing any and all store

trapped or, or hidden emotions and
feelings of uncertainty around children.

Right.

It's all starts there.

And then what happens is when they get
to the place where they embody that

it's safe to be around kids, right?

Because the dogs create
beliefs for humans, right?

You know, or reasons and excuses.

Yeah.

As to why they behave a certain
way and then, and then they are

accommodated around that, aren't they?

Right.

So maybe that owner
avoids being around kids.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Because they've got now the
belief that it's not safe for

this dog to be around kids.

So what happens in that person is that
is exactly what keeps the looping emotion

of uncertainty or doubts around kids.

Can you see it?

Pings it?

Yeah, completely.

It's like a pinboard.

If you look, you know, somebody
gets pinned to the top in your

messenger chat group, right?

Because it's important and everyone
needs to know, well, your body.

That's what it does.

It pings it into your head and
it says it's not safe for this

dog to be around children.

So that's, we are gonna avoid that.

And anytime we are in the
environment where there are children.

The central nervous system goes,
it's not fucking SA crosswalk.

It's not safe.

That was an example of someone, right?

The body saying this isn't safe
because you're around children.

Right.

See what I mean?

So then it creates all this like
things going off in the body

and therefore reinforces Yeah.

To the dog.

It's not safe to be around children.

Anke: Mm.

Yeah, that makes, that makes sense.

Now the thing is you, I mean you
mentioned like hidden things, right?

Because that would make a lot of sense.

'cause I'm just thinking of an example.

When Leo was 11 months old,
he got bitten by another dog.

Right.

I remember the story.

Yeah.

You know, and he wasn't ever the
same again with, um, with other dogs.

Yes.

You know, and so.

That's now like listening to you and
like that, that's now interesting

because I certainly know that I saw him.

I don't know, like it's
hard to like chicken and egg

what was there first, right?

So obviously he was like hysterical.

I was hysterical.

I know, of course, you know.

But also going forward,
like he would walk.

In front of me and there'd
be like another dog.

And then I, he'd freak, I'd freak.

And sometimes I'm thinking,
I wonder who freaked first.

Right?

Because, because, you
know, I would see it pong,

Heather: pong, pong.

I mean, that really

Anke: played out there.

You know, I mean, the question then,
like, the question I would have as,

you know, somebody who would go, well,
okay, this is the situation, uh, for me

if, um, if I'm now aware that I might.

Subconsciously, you know,
tense off of course.

Or, or like, yes.

You know, the moment I see
another dog, I might, the dog

would've noticed a change in me.

Like no doubt about it, even
if I try and hide it, right?

Yeah.

So, but the question for me then would be,
so how do you break through that thing?

So are you now saying like, watch
an activation video and, and if so,

then how often do I watch this once?

Do I watch this every
night for a month or?

Well, it's

Heather: not about watching the video,
it's about, um, taking on the two

commands that I've shared in that video.

Okay.

I mean, so you learn and then

Anke: you apply that.

Heather: Absolutely.

Yeah, with a hundred percent conviction
that it's no longer, you no longer

want it to be a part of your system
anymore, you no longer want to have hold

that identity of being someone that's
afraid of being around other dogs.

And

it's a look, it's not easy.

Based on the fact that you've
already experienced it, like

you've had the traumatic event and
experience happen in your life.

So how do you clear that, right?

How do you heal from that, let's
say, and overcome that, right?

Because it's like, well, but of
course I'm gonna feel like that if

I experience or put in a similar
situation, like how do I eradicate that?

Do the activation commands.

That's what eradicated, because your
response in that experience and his

response in that experience to another dog
was not based on, um, future experiences.

It was based on past experiences that
have then stored and trapped within your

body or his body that are suggested.

It's not safe to be around.

Other dogs or other dogs are not safe
because what he was then signaling into

the other dog is, I am not fucking safe.

I'm a weirdo.

Come and take me out.

Sort of thing, but, but it is also linked
to like how much we choose to live or die.

Right?

I mean, I know that sounds very
extreme, but it's like, why, why

does one human being, or why does
one dog walk away from a dog fight

unharmed and another one not walk away?

Right.

And it's based on how much
that dog has been really

living its life to the fullest.

In every single way versus not.

Anke: Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's interesting because he,

he, I was just thinking because like
later on he was always doing much better.

You know, when I, when I saw him tense up
with, with another dog coming, I'd quite

often like unclip him from the leash.

Right.

Because when he was off Lee,
she'd be like, oh, do, do, do.

And he'd walk past.

Whereas on Lee, she'd be like, oh,
you know, so, and he was a street

pup when I met, when I found him.

Right.

So he would've, but I mean also when he
got attacked, he was off le Yes, yes.

You know, so it's, it's an interesting
one to see how Well, but then

Heather: he, but what you are doing is
you are enabling the dog to have a choice.

Anke: Yeah, exactly.

The dog can then

Heather: fight, flight, or freeze.

If they're on the lead, they can't do
any of those things or Yeah, or they,

well, they're restricted in being able to
make that decision off their own accord.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that's where the difference, I
mean, I know people say like, it's down

to the hand that's holding the lead.

Right.

And I would say 85% of things,
situations that aren't very

nice happen because of that.

But, but there is that 15%.

Where the dog is actually potentially
autonomous from the human and wants the

ability to make their own decision in any
given moment, and that can also obviously

cause a different type of response.

Anke: Yeah.

Yeah, no, I mean, obviously I didn't
throw him under the bus when there

was like a dog who I knew, but when I
knew that, that the other dog was all

right, you know, if I know the dog, you
know, but I see him tense up, you know?

Uh, yeah.

So it was, uh, but it's just fascinating
to see because obviously, you know.

We wanna do, we don't wanna do anything
that makes things harder for, for the dog,

rightly so, to sort of say, well, okay,
what can I do on my end, you know, to be

that person that he can trust and, and,
you know, relax around and feel safe with.

That's, um, you know, that's massive.

Yeah.

Heather: Yeah.

The biggest gifts we can give
our dogs, um, or any of the, uh.

Children, horses, whatever, like
the biggest gift we can give

them is to be really, really
happy and healthy within ourself.

And that's from the inside out.

I'm not talking about, and
that, you know, the balance, the

trade off between all, you know.

Should I be really healthy today or
should I be really happy today and eating

a pizza and drinking a glass of wine?

Right.

I'm not talking about the payoff, right?

You know, I'm talking genuinely
happy and healthy within ourselves.

That is the biggest gift we
can give to our, um, anything

that's an extension of our being.

Um, because they will live
longer for a start, um, they

will have a better experience
of life all altogether, um, and.

It also kind of puts a stop to any,
anything that was, anything other

than that that came before us as well.

So the ripples of impact that I've
witnessed in my family, um, from

me discovering this and me really
working on this, um, is huge.

It is huge.

Um.

And, and that, I mean, the bombshell
here is that, you know, we are

the ones that create the diseases
in our dogs, unfortunately,

because we use 'em as sponges.

You know, they say your dog is your
therapist, you know, and harsh or not,

you know, we are the one that creates.

The illness, the diseases, the ailments,
the aches, the hip joint pains, oh my God.

An the amount of adverts of steam over the
last three weeks about joint pain tab, you

know, the tablets say, say to take, right.

The joint pain is, is a mirror
of what is going on with you and

that's another system entirely
to work on in the body, but is.

A resistance to feeling in any
way out of control or a resistance

to feeling, um, uncontrollable un
unbox if, if you know what I mean.

Um, but, but, but, but all of
those illnesses, ailments, and, and

disorders, let's say that dogs display
are all a reflection of something

that we can actually eradicate
and dissolve within ourselves.

We'll heal them.

Anke: That's massively hopeful.

When you think it, think of it like that.

It's kind of sad to think, you know,
actually, I remember I had a conversation

with, um, like on the, I remember, but
she literally said like, don't use your

dogs as your emotional dumping ground.

You know, because for that
reason said there were people

like, oh my God, my dog swayed.

I like, he helped me so much with
the can through the cancer journey.

I'm cancer free now, but
the dog's got cancer now.

Heather: Yeah, that's why you see that.

And this is what obviously was, um,
drove me to message you, wasn't it?

Because I think, was it Sue?

Yeah, it was Sue.

Sue London.

Yeah, Sue London.

Um, I, I would love to have a continued
conversation with her because what, what,

what she was teaching, let's say, um.

Was amazing in the sense that the more the
more dogs can connect to nature, the more

humans can connect to the outside world.

Um, the, the, the less stuff they're
gonna store, um, is completely true.

It's also why dogs run off and don't
want to be anywhere near you and won't

come back when you call them, because
what they're doing is trying to get

away from the feelings you're stuck in.

Anke: Mm.

Heather: Yeah.

That's a bombshell.

It's true bomb.

That's, yeah,

Anke: that's tough.

Yeah.

So like

Heather: you don't have a recall problem.

Do you know what I mean?

Anke: Yeah.

Heather: Yeah.

And so, you know, I'd love to continue
a conversation with Sue about actually

what else is possible, um, when it comes
to clearing your dog, of any stuff that's

not supportive of their, their whole body.

Anke: I, I just, I just think like,
yeah, I, I will be keenly observing what

you do next with this and where this
goes, because I think there's so much,

uh, hope and so much, um, hopefully
call it potential and, and I don't

know, there, it seems to be a path.

When you look beyond, below the surface,
you know, it's like, I think that's the

piece that I'm, I'm really taken away.

It's like, yeah, you know, you never
scrape around the surface and put little

bandaids on, little behavior thingies.

How long, like, you'll always
have a much better, much better

resolution of it all if you just
kind of go to the source of it all.

So, yeah.

So.

The activation, we're gonna pop
it into, uh, like just below here.

So you go watch it.

Since it's on YouTube, you can just,
uh, watch it and, um, I'll pop.

Do you wanna share people where
they can connect with you?

What's the easiest way of to get
hold of you if somebody wants to?

Sure,

Heather: yeah.

Actually on the bottom of the
YouTube in the description, my

email address is in there as well.

For anyone that has any questions,
um, about the activation itself,

anything that I've shared today, or
even an unexplainable situation going

on with their furry friend, right.

Um, or themselves for that matter.

Um, you know, I was helping somebody
who'd broken a few ribs, um, last week

and gave them a few commands to really
support and sort that out really quickly.

So yeah, if anyone has any questions
whatsoever and wants to connect with

me further, you can actually follow
me on Facebook under Heather Kinson.

Um, I have got just very virgin like
TikTok channel, which is, um, the wealth.

It's, I don't know, wealth
of you and your dog.

Um, which is, um, is kind of dropping
some hints in around the stuff that I'm

really focusing on and the depth of my
work, but I haven't really gone there yet.

If.

Anke: Well, exciting times to kind
of follow and follow from the start.

You know, I hope you'll still,
uh, talk to us when you're famous.

Heather: Oh my goodness.

Oh, we're all famous.

Oh, we're all famous.

Anke: Well, thank you so much.

And I can't, uh, I can't wait
to watch the thing myself now.

So I really, really keen on,
on, on diving in because I think

it's really, I always love it.

Like when we're not, you know, literally
going to the source of thing and to

the root of things because that's
really, we just want the truth.

Heather: Yeah.

Alright.

We just want the truth.

That's all we

Anke: want.

And understanding what's going
on, you know, because Yeah.

Um, yeah.

And especially when, when you look there.

It's not, I mean, and I've experienced
it with mine, you know, like Mr.

Kai, who was pulling like crazy, you know?

And then we moved here and everything
was like more chilled, more relaxed,

and all of a sudden, like I never
addressed the pulling directly.

Never, you know, but it just went away.

It just wasn't a thing anymore.

Right.

So it's like, you know.

You experience enough of
it to realize Well, yeah.

It isn't about fixing the
behavior thingy at the top.

So, and I love that too.

And he clearly didn't, in from,

Heather: he didn't wanna get away
from his human or the environment

that he was in, you know?

Yeah.

'cause there are two, always two
faxes, um, in these scenarios

Anke: for

Heather: sure.

Anke: Well, thank you so much.

Absolutely delightful.

I can't wait to have you back because
you know, like your evolution is

sort of, you know, very vibrant.

So, um, I can totally see you come back in
a little while and, and share any updates

that have, you know, emerged since then.

Since now.

Heather: Yeah.

Thank you.

Thanks so much for listening.

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