Soul Touched by Dogs

Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs
Podcast, the show for dog lovers who

see dogs not as toys or tools, but
wise souls worth our respect and care.

I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host.

I talk to poor some humans, people who
do great work for dogs and their people.

So come and join us for
today's conversation.

Anke: Hello and welcome, Monique.

I'm super excited to have you here.

Monique: Thank you, Anke.

I'm so honored to be here.

Really, really honored.

Thank you so much for inviting me.

Anke: Well, I'm really
looking forward to it.

And the funny thing is, we're
actually pretty much in the same time

zone, which is very unusual for me.

So, let people know where in
this lovely world you are.

And, as always, what's
your business with dogs?

Monique: So, I live in the
Italian part of Switzerland, but

I work with the entire world.

And my business, I have a business
that's called Animalchemy.

And Animalchemy is, let's say, the
reply to my soul calling, which

basically, Unite, my love for
animals, dogs of course, and my

deep fascination with the unseen,
so let's say the spiritual journey.

And since dogs are master gurus at
helping us become better humans, with

AnimAlchemy I am bringing together
the, let's say, animal medicine with

the spiritual forces that support
people in their journey of awakening.

Yeah, now I specialize in the end of
life because, um, when my dogs and cat,

ooh, can I speak of cats on a dog show?

Yes, you can.

Okay, I said, I said the
wrong word on a dog show.

So what I was saying is that when they
were ready to transition I had, like

so many of us, the hardest of times
and the overwhelming grief forced me

to question You know, how that deep
love could turn into so much pain

and the heartbreak, um, propelled me
into studying, uh, over a decade, um,

in the natural end of life process.

And I started with a vet,
a shaman and Tibetan monks.

And ultimately I also became a, a
human death tooler because the more

I learned, the more I wanted to know.

But I have to confess that it was
our great Dane Daya that brought

All of these teachings to life,
uh, during her end of life journey.

And that is actually how, um, my unique
approach got, uh, you know, got shaped.

And, uh, and it actually redefines
how the end of life is lived.

And it was so funny because she
was, uh, she was on an end of life

journey and because she's in a great
day and It was so, it was difficult,

you know, we were going like, okay,
how do we, how do we deal with this?

And then the vet came, and the usual,
you know, things, let's do euthanasia.

But the reason was, well, let's do
euthanasia now, because, um, she's a

Great Dane, and we can't really move her.

And so my mum, you know,
asked, is she in pain?

And, and, and the vet said, oh,
oh, no, no, she's not in pain.

She's just a great day, and she's
just a big dog, and I don't know

if I can come another day, right?

And that wasn't really the
premise is to go like, okay.

Oh, yes, okay.

Let's euthanize now, because she
may not be able to come another day.

But that That was so serendipitous
because I was there with all of

my, all of my studies, all of my
notes from all of these different

things that were all separate, Anke.

But then, uh, through her end
of life journey, I was having

all of these, Oh, look at this.

Oh, look at that.

This is, this is what's going to happen.

And I would take my notes and
I go, I would go to my mom.

And say, I think this is what
should happen next, right?

And, uh, and she would go like, okay.

And then I would say, okay, now I think
that, that you should say goodbye.

Now, I was just saying things like
that and grabbing all my notes and,

and Daya was just doing every step
one after the other so precisely.

She was amazing.

She was amazing.

Amazing.

So, yeah.

Oh, it was lovely, yeah.

Anke: I mean, I mean, I've had
like, these are my four, and the

first two have crossed the bridge,
so I've been through it twice.

And I'm curious about those steps,
you know, especially if you're

saying that they're so predictable.

Monique: Oh, yeah, so yes and no.

Okay, so I actually studied the
natural end of life, which is something

that vets don't study, because vets
are great at keeping animals alive.

They're amazing at doing that, that's
their job, but they haven't studied in

school, they haven't studied what happens
in the natural end of life process.

Now, in the last cycle, uh, what
happens is when the body always tries

to survive, to be, you know, to,
to, to, um, uh, always tries to come

back to life, always, always, always.

But then there comes a point where
the body, It realizes it's dying, it's

the end, and from that point there
is no return, and that is called the

last cycle, the active phase of dying.

And in that, and in that cycle, now it's
the same for all beings, it's the same

for humans, it's the same for animals, and
that's what Daya helped me to see, right?

It was the same for animals.

And those are very, there
are very predictable stages.

Now, they're not predictable in the
sense of this is going to happen

first, this is going to happen
second, this is going to happen third.

In theory, yes.

In practical, nothing is
going to be like that.

But the reason that it was so in line
and linear with Daya was that that helped

me to, to, to remember those things.

And then, You know, get them from
all the teachings that I've studied.

And, uh, and so what happens is there
are these phases that are based on

the elements, the five elements.

And, you know, for example, the
earth phase is when animals or people

start walking slower, for example.

Right?

So the end of life doesn't start,
doesn't start, you know, it's not

like, um, it's not a time and a date.

This is what I always teach.

It's not a time and a date.

We always feel it's a time
and a date, but it's not.

Because in the same way, the.

Our puppies came into this world and
they didn't just appear like that, right?

They didn't just say, okay,
I'm bing bong, boom, right?

It's a time and a date, boom.

No.

There was like, there's like, I
call it this intelligence that is

within our bodies that creates our
beating hearts, that creates the

paws, and that creates the whiskers,
and creates the ears, you know?

All of those things that I wouldn't
know how to do all of that, right?

We don't do that.

Right?

But it's so funny.

We let Mother Nature create us
and we know there's a process.

We don't open up, uh, you know, a dog that
is, that is, uh, you know, before the two,

you know, the, the, the puppies are ready.

We wait until their, the mother's
body delivers the puppies.

Because we know, we trust Mother
Nature will deliver them and when

they're ready, when they are, you
know, at the right point, right?

We don't go like, oh, you know what?

It's Thursday.

Let me, let me do this because
it's, you know, I prefer that

they were born now with humans.

They started doing that because
they were doing the caesareans.

And I know a lot of people that say,
oh yeah, I want my son to be born

on the 1st of April or whatever.

And that's, you know,
that's what's happened.

However, going back to Mother Nature,
we all have, there's this intelligence

that runs within our bodies that is
there since we are born to when we die.

Yet at the end of life, If we don't
know what to do or we go like oh,

I've received the terminal diagnosis,
so boom, we give the responsibility

over to our pets, our vets.

Which also are going like well, you
know, if I can't keep the animal

alive then I need to kill the animal.

Right.

So that's the only way to do.

Yet nature has also another way, right?

Which is the same process of being
born, but it's the other way around.

It's the same door, same doorway,
but it's the other way around.

Now you usually, we, we learn this even
with our pe we know with people, we

learn how to take care of the dying in
our homes and, uh, and help them pass

because it's not Ave medical event.

It's a highly spiritual event.

Right?

And so when we know how to do that,
and we're able to become, and we

know, we know all of the things, all,
all of the steps, what's happening,

so that we're not scared, we know
what they are truly living, then

that gives us an ability to be able
to support them in the end of life.

And that doesn't mean that
we never use euthanasia.

I've never had to use it again.

But that doesn't mean that if you
want to use it, you can use it, right?

But the great thing of knowing
all of these things is that we are

Anke: totally, I think that's
a massive, massive piece.

Because when I'm thinking back,
actually my biggest worry before I,

like before I actually have actually
been through the process, you know,

when you kind of sit there imagining
what it will be, my biggest concern.

has always been, how will I know?

How will I know?

Because the last thing I want
to do is kill off a dog who

just had a bit of a bad day.

But I also almost like, like at least
as much I want to avoid making a dog

hang in there beyond the natural like,
you know, just because I can't let go.

Yeah.

You know, so it's almost like, where
do you, how do you, funny enough.

And interestingly enough, both of
them made it actually really clear.

In the end that wasn't even a,
that wasn't actually a problem.

But it's also that piece of, like,
you don't want them to suffer, right.

And I don't want them to suffer longer
than strictly necessary, just because I

would love them to live forever, right.

So, what are some signs
that you find people Oh.

That are normal that people don't know
about and may misunderstand or misjudge.

Monique: Absolutely.

So all of the signs that we find on
the quality of life table that we

go to vets and they say, you know,
if you tick all the boxes, then

the life is no longer worth living.

For all of those, there is a
Natural reason for that to happen

and it's a non painful reason.

So, for example, um, one of the things,
a lot of people say, okay, when the eyes

are not, um, you know, when they look,
when you look at your pet's eyes and

you see that they're not there, right?

That's a sign.

Well, um, That, that means that, that
basically is meaning, you see at the

end of life what happens is the soul
keeps getting out of the body and they

start to get used to the other side.

So they keep going in and out
and in and out and in and out.

So they spend a lot of
time on the other side.

And so, some of the times, yes,
they're not there because they are,

they are, they are, you know, also
visiting the other side, right?

But that doesn't mean that because
they went to visit where their next

home is going to be that we need to
end their lives so that they can go.

It's like, it's like, okay, you know what?

Let me just check out how my new place is.

So that when they arrive on the
other side, it's not, it's not, um,

imagine if you just, if you're just
like tele transported now, just in a

moment in the Himalayas, as you are
right now, and you go like, what,

what, what, what am I doing right?

So the end of life
process is exactly that.

It's getting used, it's for the animal
to get, well us, to get used to the

new environment of where we're going.

And what better to be in the
loving energies of the person

that we love the most, right?

If you can hold your dog and
be, it's okay my love, right?

Because then when they come back
in the body they might go like,

Oh my goodness, what's happening?

And they might go, whoop,
whoop, whoop, whoop.

And then immediately, ah, they're
in pain, they're suffering,

they're suffering, right?

And that's when we take them and
again, we run to the vet, right?

But again, we need to realize
that when a body is dying, like

I said, do you remember that last
cycle that I was telling you?

That's the point of the body
knows that there's no return.

So, it activates the going back
home elements, which are contrary

to the staying here on this earth
elements, which is, you know, pain.

Pain helps you to go like, Monique,
take that hand off of the fire, right?

If the body's dying, why
would pain need to happen?

No pain, right?

So a lot of things that we see, we see a
lot of pain when we see them like yowl,

cats, I know, sorry, I'm talking about
cats again, but that's, that's right,

Anke: that's right, nothing against cats.

Monique: Yeah, maybe dogs whine
a bit sometimes and immediately,

you know, we go into pain and yes,
100%, if that happens in the, not

in the last cycle, that's 100%, like
go to the vet yesterday, not now.

I am, I am not fatigued.

Holding animals in pain.

But then, but then in that last cycle,
it's, it's what happens to humans as well.

There's a lot of confusions because
like I said, they're over there,

they're in complete bliss, they don't
have a body, they're experiencing

this unconditional love, and then
all of a sudden they go like boom!

And they're back to these bodies
that can't move, you know.

And they go like, holy crap,
really what's happening?

Right?

Now, I'm not saying there, there,
there's gonna be some discomfort.

I'm not saying that I, I, I always
say that I have a shoulder that's

painful, and I can tell you that
there's a lot of discomfort in that.

But do I want to end my life
short because of my, my pain?

And I can tell you, I'm, I'm
a whi, I'm a drama queen.

I go like, oh my God.

Goodness.

I said so much so . You know,
and I, you would've euthanized

me a long time ago, right?

? Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm a euthanizable person, absolutely.

And when I meditate that I'm not
here, you would euthanize me again.

So, but now I'm joking a bit, but
what I'm trying to say is that we

need to understand what is truly
happening at the end of life.

When we do, we understand A, when
it's pain, when it's not, you know,

when to rush to the vet and when
your pet is actually going to die.

Because the other thing is, If, in the
death thing, we look at the body, which

is the only thing that needs to break
down in order for the soul to leave,

right, and become this whole, go back to
the wholeness of what, what they truly

are, so, uh, we are only focused on the
one thing that is breaking down, right?

When we're able to, to be able to
see the bigger picture and see what

is truly happening, to, to the dog
and the experience of the dog because

the dog may be in a, in a position
where they're not like running

after the ball anymore on, you know,
maybe not really breathing badly.

That's another sign, by the way.

Uh, but are they, are they in pain?

Are they suffering?

No, if you, if you connect with the
dog in that moment, they go like,

oh my goodness, I've never felt
better in my entire life, right?

And animals have that
ability to, humans as well.

You see humans that are bedridden,
that are not well, and then they go on

these journeys and when they come back,
they go like, oh my goodness, right?

So, we really need to understand
that, that dying is not just the body.

In fact, it's not the body, it's
all the rest that is happening.

And when we understand what is happening,
then we can better know whether

to rush to the vet or not, right?

Anke: That makes sense.

Monique: You know, imagine
if you're the soul and you're

trying to leave the body, right?

And you go like, okay, this is
a, and then maybe you get like

convulsions is another thing.

Because the, there's this magnetic
field that holds the, the, the, holds

everything together in the body.

And sometimes the soul needs a
little kick to get out, right?

And so sometimes we see these movements
that are really scary to watch.

But it's the movement of, you know, of the
soul like, you know, like moving, right?

And trying to detach.

Because There's all of the chakras
that are dissolving, all of the energy

fields that are, that are dissolving.

So all of these, all of these things
are happening invisible to our eyes.

And when we know what, don't
know what is happening.

So and I, so imagine that, that you're
the, you're in the body, you're,

your soul is ready to leave, right?

So you're about to leave.

And then in that moment, they pick
you up and they take you where?

To the worst place that you,
that you've always hated your

entire life at the vet's office.

That's Right?

And that, that is, that can never
be a peaceful end of life, right?

Because that is the worst place
that a vet wants to, that a dog

wants to be, at the vet, right?

And so I feel that it's our responsibility
to learn how about this phase, so that

when we can, when we, you know, when,
when we can, then we can, we can allow

them to be home, because we know,
oh, this phase is, means that the A,

they're not feeling pain anymore, right?

And so now, one relaxes.

Oh yes, they move the legs.

I know what that means.

Oh yes, they're breathing,
uh, differently.

Oh, I know that this,
this is what's happening.

Oh, now I'm going to prepare, I'm
going to tell them that I love them.

And you know, all of these moments, Anke.

becomes a moment of
connection, of deep love.

And I, and I say that it's like, uh, we
create a bridge across forever because now

the, the love connection, which is our,
the, the, the relationship of us and our

pets is built on this love connection.

Now it's, uh, it's strengthened
because we are there when they're

most, when they most need us.

Anke: For sure, for sure.

So it's, it is beautiful.

It's, I mean, there's like,
I'm kind of all teary, but

there's so much beauty in this.

Monique: Yeah.

Anke: So I'm

Monique: curious.

May I just say one important thing that
I really, this is really important.

Whatever we've done in the past, we
didn't know these things and animals.

And you know, that like they're now in a,
in a state where everything is perfect.

Right.

And animals don't have that.

That part of the brain that we have that,
that reasons and that says, that judges.

Right?

They don't have all of that.

You know, you know what?

You should have took
me to the vet earlier.

You know what?

You're a really bad, you know,
all of that is just human BS.

Anke: Yeah.

Yeah.

No, for sure.

For sure.

Just see, I'm curious.

I'm curious.

Cause I remember actually there's
an Instagram account where

there is, um, like there's a,
there's a, I think hospice nurse.

That's, that was the word, right?

So she's a hospice nurse.

And she talks about, What this
process looks like in people, right?

And she often like does these little
reels where she goes, you know,

like family members often complain
that we don't give them water.

And she goes, well,
because that's not helpful.

And so she explains what, you
know, as the body's shutting

down and all of these things.

Right.

So.

Yeah.

For a dog, you know, like, how do I
know when they enter that last cycle?

You know, how do I not mix it up with
like, oh my god, like, yeah, he's got

It's like, Oh my God, he must have like
seizures and it must be painful versus,

Oh, so this is part of the last cycle.

Is there some way that a normal, like
uneducated person can recognize that?

Well,

Monique: uneducated not in the sense
that, uh, we need to, we need to take,

this is the thing is we need to, if
we want to take that responsibility

in the same way that we go for, uh,
You know, a puppy school and we buy,

uh, pa pee pads for the floors so
that they don't ruin our carpets.

And we, we buy special things, you
know, that we, we, we, we invest

time to go to train the puppies.

We invest money, we invest,
you know, all of this.

It's the same at the end of life.

You know, I, I can tell you, I can tell
you a few things that can help you.

Uh, but there's so much.

My, the, I have a course which is
called Walk Your Pet Home and that

course is actually 82 sessions.

Anke: Wow.

So there's a lot, right?

It's a lot.

So we're going to obviously
pop the link below.

I'm going to check that out for sure.

No,

Monique: absolutely.

And, and, and it's divided in two.

So a lot of it is also how to
change us because, you know,

I'm big on, on us evolving.

And I, and I saw in my own journey how
It was my personal transformation that

helped me to deal with the end of life
in a completely different way, right?

I started to see my pets missions.

I started to understand
why they came to me.

I started to understand the
reason that they had a specific

illness and not another one.

I started to understand why
they were not dying immediately.

I started understanding why
they were dying really quickly.

You know, all of these things that
make us understand that there is

a bigger picture and the journey.

So the first part is
all about that, right?

And then the second part is more of the
technical things that I'm, that I was

speaking to you about, about the cycles.

So what happens and when the
last cycle arrives, um, and, and

I explain all of these things.

Now, as I said, it's not, it's
not a complete science, right?

So we have to let our dogs lead the way.

So for example, if I, I was just, uh,
helping, um, um, a pet parent recently

with a dog, and, uh, she was saying, oh,
I'm giving, uh, the homeopathic medicine

and I'm giving, uh, the water because
the, because a pet was breath breathing

heavily, which is one of the signs to say
that's actually the last sign when they

start breathing different, differently.

They're very close to
the, to the end, right?

But sometimes that can happen a bit
sooner rather than later because

maybe they have What do you call them?

Lung difficulties, right?

Or things like that.

So and and then she was saying that
she was giving, giving water and I

said, I said just be careful because
One of the things that happen is

the, the, when you give water is the,
the, the swallowing reflexes stop.

And so if you give water,
you choke them, right?

So we need to know all of these things.

And so how do you know?

You just offer the water.

You offer the medicines.

Right, because we want, the people that
don't want to let go, they keep giving,

I don't know, heart medicine until, until
they give euthanasia, right, but it's

just like that thing about, okay, when
you stop the heart medicine, right, you

can allow them to, to go slowly, but
without pain, but if you, if you decide

to keep the heart medicine going and
then you're waiting for them to die, now

there's two forces that are pushing one
against the other because the medicine

is going, right, come on, you can do it.

Yeah, let me help you do this.

And then the body's going like,
wait, I don't want to anymore, right?

And so that's when we see the, the pain.

A lot of pain comes from when
we're not able to let go.

That's why I'm bringing in all of these,
Our, our, how we can change, right?

There's so many things that, that
can help a dying, a dying process.

But when we, when we're able to
start looking at all of these

things, I can tell you my cats,
uh, sorry, I mentioned cats again.

I know, it's just like, what?

They went in a, they went in a week
from going to complete, but even

the Great Dane did like that, you
know, they, they went from, okay, I'm

totally fine to, right, bye, I'm going.

What do you mean you're going, right?

Yeah, I'm going.

And then, dun, At home,
calmly, off they went.

No pain, no stress, no nothing, no vets.

Just, just calmly at home.

Um, but of course, you know, one of the
things that we are very, that we have

a lot of problem is, is our stress.

Because we see in, in the, in the
emergency, we always see the stress.

And this is why.

These things, it's important to
learn them beforehand, right?

Yeah, I think it's
definitely one of those,

Anke: you can't kind of stop looking at
it when it's already happening, right?

It's like, oh, hang on, wait, wait, let
me look up, like, what's going on here?

Monique: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, uh, so, so to reply to your
question is let the dog lead, the dog

will know, the dog knows 100 percent
how to die, not a problem, alright?

But then you have to look at yourself.

So the first thing is be
calm, uh, be present, right?

And because the problem is when you
start thinking about, is my pet in

pain, is my pet in pain, where are you?

You're, you're over, you're not present.

So I say come back to present.

What are you doing?

Just simple exercise to
come back to present.

Look at your dog.

Look at your dog's breathing or your paw.

Just focus on that for a moment
and then re ask the question.

And then you will look and you
go like, Oh, well, it doesn't

seem that painful, right?

Right?

Because usually it's like even a movement
is pain in a, in a worried mind, right?

So it's that training of coming
back to the present moment and

then, um, and then just let the
dog lead if they don't want to eat.

Don't panic.

The body knows what to do, right?

If they don't want to drink,
don't, don't force any medicine.

Don't force any, any food.

We force things down.

Um, but I remember, I always
remember, um, I had a vision once.

Uh, I was, I was, I was trying to give
some medicine to, um, I'm sorry, a cat.

You're gonna throw me out of the show.

I was trying to get the And you
know how it's not easy, right?

Dog is a bit easier, right?

But with a cat it's not easy.

But I was really good.

I was the best.

I was like, you know, take the towel,
wrap the cat in the towel, you know,

open the mouth, yeah, and then keep
it closed until they go down in it.

So I was, I was thinking about this in
that moment because I had to do that.

I was like, oh gosh, I need
to go through all of that.

And in that moment, I was at the
table, I closed my eyes, and all of

a sudden I saw an image of my mom,
and there was this conversation.

It was like a little scene I
was seeing, and I saw, and my

mom said, I've got a headache.

And I said, oh, do you want a pill?

Which is something I would
have never said, but anyway,

that's what I was seeing.

I said, do you want a pill?

And she goes like, no.

And so I took her, I took a towel, I
wrapped her up in a towel, I threw her on

the floor, I opened her mouth, I threw,
uh, like the, the pill in, I closed her

mouth until she, she, she did like that,
and then I opened and then I released her.

And as I opened the eyes, I
was completely shocked, Anke.

Completely shocked.

I was like, why do we do this for animals?

Why do we do it?

Because we decide that that is good,
and otherwise they're gonna die.

And I was all about that.

I would say, eat this,
otherwise you're gonna die!

You know, as if, as if, yeah, as if
staying alive, alive with me doing all

of those things of a good life, right?

The animal goes, well,

Anke: actually, now that you're saying it.

Monique: But just, but just to give
some perspective on this, uh, you

know, when I released those tensions
about having to and having to do this

and allowing, giving back that, that,
that freedom to be animal, guess what?

The cat started eating the
food with the medicine.

There was no need for me to do it.

And then when I, when, when the
cat stopped, it was, it, it was

because the medicine was The cat
knew that that he was dying, right?

So, yeah, this, can you
see there's so many?

Anke: Yeah, there's so much
to it and it also feels a big

part of it is trusting nature.

You know, it's like, yeah,
just like nature knows how

to bring us into this world.

It also knows how, you
know, how to take us back.

Like that makes, it takes a lot of
that heaviness out of, out of it.

Right.

So yeah.

So where can people get
their hands on the course?

Where can they get in touch with you?

Find out more because, you know, it
makes sense to, you know, into the

topic before you need it, right?

You don't want to sit

Monique: there having I've got, I've got
many clients that basically are taking,

uh, the, the courses when they're dogs.

I've got two that have four
year olds, for example.

Um, and apart from the fact that
it can happen at any time and one,

bless her heart, that four year old
actually had an accident and died.

So it was, you know, and somebody
said, is taking this course gonna,

no, it's not gonna, so don't worry.

But what I can say is that this course
actually helps everyone in life as well.

So yes, it does, does talk about death,
but just bear in mind that it helps

you deepen the bond with your animal.

It helps you get skills that really help
you in any challenge in life as well.

And, um, and as I say with, I always
say that basically, um, this is

our journey of evolution where our
animal companions can be our guides.

So with, with their wet noses, they
show us how to go from conditional love

to unconditional love and then in the
end of life journey to divine love.

So, yeah, yeah, I have touched the
most, the most divine places with that

because, I'll just say one more thing,
you know, when we, we are always again

looking only at the body which is, which
is the thing that is, yeah, but if we

are able to see what, where everything
else happens, it's amazing because the

energy has The frequencies have to raise
to meet the place where they're going.

So, our animal may look all sad
and depressed and bedraggled

but when you look at it from an
energetic place they're huge.

And when you're in that energy, you can
connect to that and that's where also

you can get a little taste of the Divine.

And I've had that happen many times and
that's why I can tell you not because I

think or I've read somewhere That when
we go beyond the body we feel bliss

It's because I felt it during an end of
life of an animal and I was told this

is how I'm feeling and I was looking
at this bedraggled being and I was

going like this is impossible, right?

But I was taken there, so it's beautiful.

Um, So, book your pet home, you can find
all the information on Animalchemy, uh, so

it's not Animal Alchemy, it's Animalchemy.

I had to put it together, otherwise
it would have cost me 10, 000,

which I didn't want to pay.

So, uh, so Animalchemy.

It's cooler like

Anke: that.

Monique: Yeah.

And for all of your readers, there is,
um, there is a place, and I'm sure that

you will give them the link, right?

Absolutely.

Yep.

Okay.

Thank you So, there's like
three, uh, six sessions of the 82

session course, right, for free.

So, you can watch them for free
to just get the hang of, you know,

what's happening in the course.

Um, and then, of course, if people want
to sign up for the newsletter and things

like that, I basically do, um, uh, events.

I do a lot of events.

The last one was three
hours of just, you know,

And, um, and then also if anybody's
going through an end of life situation

right now, they can, um, they can
sign up for a free consult where I

can support them, uh, in, in this,
you know, in this end of life moment.

And then, uh, then if they
decide, you know, to work with

me, okay, if not, that's fine.

They get a lot just to, you know, relax
a bit into that, into the situation.

And if anyone, uh, is feeling the
soul calling to become pet doolers,

please, please, please reach out.

There is also a free session, uh,
for that, uh, like, um, a free

discovery session, um, because, um,
yes, because the world needs this.

You know, I, I, I really, uh,
it, it, it changes so much.

You know, I go from clients that
are call me in despair, and then

I receive emails that say, oh,
uh, Fluffy has died peacefully

last night, and it was beautiful.

And I go like, beautiful, you know, you
can find beauty in this as well, right?

Now, does this mean that you won't be sad?

Of course not.

Absolutely not.

I mean, these are our loves, right?

It's impossible not to be sad, but
when we are open to the bigger picture

and feel it and live it and, and
understand the mission and all of

the, all of those things, then it
becomes a journey of growth for us.

Uh, and once we learn it, then
we have it for all of our lives.

For ourselves, for our journey
home, for all of our dogs, for

all our friends dogs, ever.

It is really something,
something important.

So, I am really looking to, I'm on a
mission to, uh, train as many pet death

duelers as possible, um, because I really,
I really find that, uh, we don't have to

stay with grief forever, you know, grief.

In the current model, unfortunately,
Because we have to make that horrible

decision of ending the life, right?

So we need to know when we
need to make that decision.

That takes us to a place where,
where we feel a lot of grief.

And when we don't live this journey,
like I said, with all of these points,

the completion, we don't get to a
completion, and it's just like, oh,

you know, Fluffy was here yesterday
and Fluffy's no longer here, and that

brings a grief that doesn't go away.

Love should stay with us forever.

Breathe not.

It's not natural.

I love,

Anke: I love your, I love your
passion about, you know, I

love your passion around this.

Because I mean, I've experienced it
twice and there was so much beauty in it.

You know, yes, it hurts like hell and
it was beautiful and I'm getting teary.

But,

but for you to really lean into that
and to give people a way to be prepared.

It's just, it's amazing.

I love

Monique: it.

I really love it.

You know, and, and as I said, it's funny
because sometimes people don't want to be

doulas because they go like, uh, you know,
it must be the most depressing job ever.

And I can tell you it's the most,
it's the most enriching job ever.

I wake up with a smile every single day.

And not because I'm seeing animals
die, but I'm, I am seeing, I am

seeing, you know, of course, you know,
that would be, that would be hard.

If you look at it like
that, it's the worst.

When you see them just, you know, just,
just relax, but then leave with all of

these gifts that make us better humans.

Um, and then when people still feel
the connection to the other side,

when I can see a smile instead of a,
instead of a, you know, a sad heart.

I mean, how can I not be happy?

You know, every single morning.

So, you know, we need these,
these people in the world that

can bring this out into the world.

And, and I really believe that
every pet deserves a peaceful

and conscious end of life.

Uh, because, you know, when
we do euthanasia, we are not

allowing that had to happen.

You know, the consciousness is, is asleep.

Um, but then also, uh, also
every pet parent deserves to,

to have a way to keep that love.

Anke

Anke: Herrmann, Taming the Tech Monster,
Anke Herrmann, Taming the Tech Monster,

Anke Herrmann, His dog basically got
run over by a train in front of him.

You know and I'm like Jesus!

Like, I don't even, like that would

Monique: be Yeah, that
would, that would be hurtful.

You

Anke: know stuff like that and
and and I was then thinking like

God, and I feel guilty because I
obviously put the dog in that bed.

situation, you know, so it was
like, it was my, it was my job

to keep the dog safe, right.

To make sure I can't run
across the train track.

And so, and I'm thinking, yes, they
will definitely on situations where

it's a lot harder to get over than,
you know, than, than what I had with

like Leo, who was like almost 17.

And it was like, you know, I
know I've given you a good life.

And, and, you know, so it's like, and
I was there until the, till the end.

So it wasn't like, yeah.

You know, it's almost like it had that
sense of closure, you know, so there

wasn't like, Oh my God, I'm feeling
regret or guilt about something.

And it was like, no, like
we had our journey together

and it's come to its close.

Monique: You know, this is, this is why
this is a different way to look at the

end of life because we, I'm looking at
all of those things, especially, you

know, the, the, the guilt, you know,
because I can tell you the guilt comes

from, Oh, I did euthanasia too soon.

Oh, I did it too late.

Oh, I didn't do it sooner.

Oh, I didn't look at the
dog crossing the railways.

You know, you can, it doesn't matter.

You can just fill in
the blanks at the end.

Everybody has that guilt.

So we need to look at.

Us, we need to heal that
inside of us, right?

So that we can see the real situation.

Maybe that soul needed
to go in that moment.

What did that soul bring into, into
the life of that man in that moment?

Why the two souls connected?

Maybe it had a mission, well not maybe, it
had a mission, it completed that mission.

And then it just went.

When you know what happens to the soul,
and the soul can never be hurt, never,

never is born, never dies, right?

Then you know that, yes, it's
incredibly horrible to see the body,

uh, you know, go through all of that.

But now you see all of the
other, all the rests, right?

And if you can keep that
connection, you know that your

dog is not under there anymore.

So, and if you can deal with the
shock, if you know how your brain

works, you can deal with that as well.

So, it's all about, at the end, can you
see how all of this makes us better humans

Anke: Absolutely

Monique: And, and when we are
better, then we can also give a

better life to our dogs, our living
dogs and our dying dogs, right?

Because, because us being in panic and
thinking that we should have kept the

dog from running into the railways.

Well,

Anke: he ran, he he went off on a massive
rant about, against the train driver.

Monique: Yeah, yeah, of course,
and then that's it, you know,

and here we do it with a vet.

It's either the vet's fault, or the,
the, the love, you know, the partner's

fault, or there's always somebody's fault.

Even sometimes it's a pet's
fault for dying on me, right?

But even that is a, is a thing that you
need to work on yourself, and this is

why there's so many building blocks.

That make us, uh, you know,
live life better as well, right?

So, all of these things are
really, really, really important.

And plus, you know, we never think about,
the other thing I want to say is like when

an animal dies, or of course a person as
well, but imagine that dog dying, right?

He went out of the body, he
was obviously no longer in the

body under the train, right?

So he went out.

And now, they are very sensitive
when they are on the other

side, even when they are dying.

So please, all the listeners
need to know that when a pet is

dying, they are very sensitive.

So they feel us a lot more
than they do normally.

We already know how our
animals feel us, right?

Can you imagine how it is to feel us
even more, like a million times more?

So now imagine that you're dying
and the person that you love the

most is like, I need to do this.

I need to give the medicine.

My dog is not sleeping.

My dog is sleeping too much.

Oh, I'm so worried.

I'm so tired.

Now be the dog in that moment.

Is that peaceful?

That is not.

So that's why we need
to work on ourselves.

The dogs know how to, how to cross over.

We need to work on ourselves if we want
to help them have a peaceful death.

A peaceful death doesn't come
from, from some, some, you know,

something that we give them.

It comes from us being peaceful.

Because when they go out of their body,
Let's say that now I'm dead, right?

And I come and I look at you and you're
Anke, you're crying and you're like,

Oh, Monique, where did you go, Monique?

Right?

And I'm here and I'm going like, I'm fine.

And you go, Oh my God, oh my God.

And I'm so connected with you, right?

I'm so connected with
you and I feel your pain.

I feel your pain and I'm
fine, but I feel your pain.

And so I'm staying here.

So let me stay here, so I stay here and
so we have all of these souls that are

here because we are in grief and we,
they can't continue their journey, they

can't become our guides because they're
stuck in these half worlds, right?

So we need to know what happens on the
other side, we need to know what happens

when we are stressed out, so that we
can then become responsible for And, and

know what to do at the end of life, and
not just go like, oh, my pet has cancer,

here you go, you, you vet, deal with it.

Because the poor vets have to
deal with that, of course, right?

A lot of pets, a lot of vets,
you know, are very depressed

because all they do is euthanasia.

Actually,

Anke: it's funny.

I mean, I saw somebody say that, I don't
know, I think it was a vet who said like

90 over, like some horrific percentage
of people won't stay with their dogs.

Oh

Monique: gosh, yeah.

You know, I'm like,

Anke: oh, that's horrible.

Monique: Like

Anke: I couldn't even, like,
I couldn't even picture that.

Like, how would you just hand over
your dog, you know, for somebody

else to deal with those last days.

Like moments, it's just.

Monique: And that is, that is normal if
you think about how society is today.

It's like we push away
anything that we don't like.

That's why I'm not going to buy
a course on the end of life,

because it's the end of life.

I don't want to deal with that, right?

I don't want to.

So there's a lot of things that
we always want to push away.

But the growth actually comes
from feeling the pain, feeling

the fear, and going anyway, right?

And, and, and going like in,
it's, in the Amazons they call

it touching the jaguar, right?

You see the jaguar.

And you take one step towards it, and
you step, one take towards it, right,

and each step you learn, you learn more
about the Jaguar until you touch it.

When you touch it, the energy of the
gift of the Jaguar comes into you,

and you're now filled with these new
strengths to go, to take on your journey.

It's an initiation into who
we can become as human beings.

An effect of going
through this end of life.

Anke: And actually, it's totally in
my experience, I remember actually

always dreading my grandma dying, you
know, and it was almost like looking

back, the dread before was actually
worse than the actual process of it.

Yeah, sure.

You know, so, yeah.

Well, I think we could.

Carry on forever here.

This absolutely.

I know.

We'll have to maybe do it another time.

I think we do.

I think.

I totally think we do.

Um, so yes, we'll pop the links
underneath, so get the course.

I'll definitely check it out
because it makes so much sense

and it takes the heaviness out of.

a process that is so natural, you know,
that we, I think we've sort of, sort of

pushed away as a society as if it was
this kind of like weird thing we don't

want to know about when it's actually
just part of the part that gives closure.

So thank you so much for,
for bringing all of that.

We prepare

Monique: for everything in life.

We prepare for this interview.

I, you know, tidied up the background,
did my curls and everything.

Yet we weren't, we don't
prepare for the one thing that

is certain in life, which is.

the end, right?

The end of the, well,
the, the dying process.

So yeah, let's do it.

Let's do it.

Anke: Alrighty, well then,
thank you so much for today.

Monique: so much, Anke.

I'll talk

Anke: to you again soon.

Monique: Yes, thank you so much.

Thanks so much for listening.

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