Soul Touched by Dogs

Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs
Podcast, the show for dog lovers who

see dogs not as toys or tools, but
wise souls worth our respect and care.

I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host.

I talk to poor some humans, people who
do great work for dogs and their people.

So come and join us for
today's conversation.

Anke: Hello and welcome Nora.

I'm delighted to have you here with me.

Nora: Hi Anki.

I'm delighted to be here.

Anke: Wonderful.

So let people know where in this
lovely world you are, 'cause you

are nine hours behind where I am.

And what's your business with dogs?

Nora: Yes, I am.

I'm in, uh, I'm on the
west coast of the us.

I'm in Washington state, sort of
inland a couple hundred miles inland

from the ocean, um, in the northwest.

Um, and my business with dogs started
out in 1997 when I started my own dog.

Care business, and it was mostly
playgroups where I would take large

groups of dogs out, where they could be
off leash, um, for a couple hours, and

then I would take 'em all back home.

And the, the business was.

Very highly valued by all of the business
professionals that were populating.

The town where I was living at the time.

It was building, and
building and building.

Now Amazon and Microsoft are there, and
it's full of those kind of people who

have to leave their dogs at home all day.

So, um.

I've since retired from that, but I
had about 20 years before that started

learning about human nutrition and
that the effect that human nutrition

has on our health, our feelings,
our psychology, the effect that food

has on all parts of our being, and
I was seeing dogs being fed this.

Commercial garbage that was
having the same effect on

them that junk food has on us.

And so I started, um, gathering
information for my customers and

I made a little, it was probably
about a 10 page handout initially.

Just trying to teach people what
I had learned because I just dove

in with both feet and, 'cause I
wanted to feed my dog properly.

I wanted to make my dog, um, live
as long as he possibly could, and

it eventually became this book.

Computational mono feeding and
we call it RMF, uh, for short.

And, uh, about, um, 15, 16 years ago,
I started my website with basically

the outline of that book on it.

And, um.

It didn't really do much until, I mean, I,
I would get book sales now and then and,

um, then I started a Facebook group in,
I was a Facebook holdout for many years.

I didn't want any part of it.

Uh, but I started a dog feeding
group in 2018, I believe, and it

really kickstarted my business.

I hadn't used.

Social media much up until that point.

And, um, so now I have a YouTube channel.

I have a couple of, uh, Facebook
groups and I teach people the

very simple basic principles that.

Pretty much govern all life on
earth, and they are applicable to all

species, humans, and dogs included.

We might have a different range of
foods and conditions that we thrive

in that are different from what dogs
thrive in, but the same principles.

Um, guide or govern us because if we don't
stay within those ranges, we get sick.

Disease is the natural, predictable
outcome of our failure to fulfill

our biological needs, and that's
what people don't understand.

Disease is not something
that you're born with.

It's not something that
floats around in the air.

It's not something that
you are destined to suffer.

It's not something that
naturally happens as you age.

No, no, no.

That's not.

Aging.

That's degeneration.

That is, that is disease.

So many people confuse
aging and degeneration.

But what we see when we see people in
their eighties who aren't able to function

properly, that's disease that's not
aging because aging happens much slower.

And it's the same with dogs.

Dogs begin to show their age
in midlife, which is seven or

eight, and you know, typically.

That's when they start to
develop problems and just like.

We humans in our twenties when we can
eat whatever we want, we can eat the

junk as it rolls out of the factory and
we don't, we still function properly.

Ever seen.

Everything seems to work.

It's just like that with dogs and that's
how they do fine on kibble and canned

garbage through their midlife years.

Typically, it's, it's getting to be that.

Dogs are encounter, encountering
chronic disease earlier in life.

And, and that's, that's
getting to be a huge problem.

We have cancer in two, 3-year-old dogs.

It's crazy.

Oh, that's, that's crazy.

Anke: Jesus.

I could not agree.

I'm so glad you're here, you know,
because I definitely, um, yeah.

I've had my own experience with my very
first dog where he wasn't doing well

on the stuff that the vet said it was.

I was to feed him exclusively.

The kibble that he sold.

Right.

Funny that, but um, so I really early
on came, came across a book where the

one key takeaway was Read the labels.

Right.

Don't look at what it says on the front.

So now you said something that really
sparked my curiosity and that's the

universal principle for all beings.

Like, can you just
unpack that a little bit?

Like what are the things
that are common for.

For all of us, regardless
of how many legs we've got.

Nora: Yeah, that's a great question
because there, I, I follow this full,

this general body of knowledge called
natural hygiene and it lists or elucidates

like, I think there are 20 or 30 I.

Principles of life, and right up
there in the top is every species

has a range of foods that they're
biologically adapted to thrive on, and

that's different for every species.

It's not black and white.

There's a little crossover.

If something is called a carnivore, it
doesn't necessarily mean they're not

going to eat, you know, plant foods.

If something is called an herbivore,
it doesn't necessarily mean.

Mean they will never eat
an animal derived food.

But that's the basic idea.

And um, some of the other principles
that govern life are fresh air,

fresh water, psychological security.

And that's gonna be different
for us than it is for dogs.

What does it take for dogs to
feel psychologically secure?

Well, there's lots of prey out
there for them to catch right?

I could care less about prey, right?

I don't care about prey.

I wanna know that there's fruit
on the tree in my backyard or

in my refrigerator or whatever.

That's my priority.

So that gives me psychological
security for me, not thinking

about bombs falling on my head.

That's great for having, you
know, good psychological, you

know, security that helps.

But dogs couldn't care less about that.

So that's different.

But it's still the general category
of psychological security is.

Important for us as it is for
dogs, um, for us, meaningful

work for dogs, being able to, um,
express their natural inclinations

and urges, whatever those are.

Um, being out in the sunshine,
having babies, teaching

their babies how to get food.

Um, you know, running dogs move,
you know, 40, 50 miles a day.

I don't really think humans are
meant to travel 40, 50 miles a day.

Um, so that's not really
part of our makeup.

But, but see, the, the general
categories are still all the same.

You know, air, water.

And, um, living out there, living
in nature, living, being able to

express our natural inclinations, all
of those things are important to us.

So for dogs, we need to figure out
how we can replicate those conditions

that they evolved in over the eons.

And the closer we can get to
that, the higher the level of

health that our dogs will enjoy.

Anke: That makes, that
makes a lot of sense.

And I think it also explains
why it's so hard, right?

When every, with more and more people
living in apartments and all sort

of crammed in and you know, you're
just a little balcony and then just

kind of walk around the pavement.

I think a lot of dogs are so
removed, so removed from that.

So I'm curious.

I think we all agree that kibble is
the kind of equivalent of fast food.

Mm-hmm.

Um, actually it's funny, like mine
don't even know what that is either.

They'd be like, is that edible?

Don't know.

You know?

So what do you feed your dogs?

Nora: I feed my dog according to
the model that I developed, uh, like

20, starting 25 years ago, um, that
forms the skeleton of rotational mono

feeding and rotational mono feeding
just refers to mono in my definition.

Um, just refers to separating plant
foods from meat foods because.

Neither dogs nor humans should be
mixing meat and plants together as.

Crazy as that sounds.

Meat requires, uh, an acid
environment, acidic environment in

this, in the digestive, um, cavity,
um, in order to be broken down.

And plants require an alkaline
digestive environment.

And when you mix as acid and alkaline,
they neutralize each other and that

means not very much of the food
is going to be getting digested.

So that's what.

Mono feeding refers to mostly.

Um, although there are some
plant foods that really aren't

friends with each other, like you
don't wanna mix fats and sugars

together, it's just not a good idea.

Um, but apart from that, you
know, the way I feed my dog is.

She gets meat probably three
or four times per week.

She gets one or two fasting days per
week where she gets nothing but water.

And then one day of the week, I
generally give her a full day of fruit.

Like I will give her bananas,
a banana in the morning and.

Half an apple later on and
she only weighs 10 pounds.

So, I mean, I could, I could, she
could live on my scraps, right?

My Apple course, but I
don't eat meat of course.

So, um, so I still have to buy it for her.

But, um, but you know,
that's what she eats.

And, um, fortunately I'm
still able to get some wild.

Um, deer scrap here in the, we
live in a, a, I live in a state

where hunting is very popular, so
I'm still able to get scrap from.

Hunted deer that are
processed in my state.

So, um, that's what she eats.

She's eating right now.

I generally fill my freezer in the fall
when it's hunting season and I have really

nice venison bones for her to chew on.

And, um, and apart from
that, I buy chicken for her.

I buy organic free range chicken and,
you know, organic free range chicken gets

to be a little prohibitive if you have
a big dog or if you have, um, many dogs.

But um, to, it doesn't really
matter if you feed organic or not.

You can feed conventional if you want,
if you want, because feeding, um, raw,

biologically appropriate food puts you
so far ahead of all the other dog owners

out there that are feeding commercial
garbage, even if they're feeding raw.

Um, that it, that starts to
take kind of a backseat, whether

it's conventional or organic.

And what I've sort of, my philosophy
is sort of that most of the crap that

is fed to these animals in order to
get them really fat at slaughter time.

Which is what makes money for the
processors can be trimmed because it

gets stored in fat cells on the animal.

And as long as we're trimming off
all of these globs of fat that

you don't see on wild animals,
um, you can pretty much replicate.

Even if you buy conventional meat,
you can pretty much replicate a

wild dog's diet or you can get close
enough that your dog will thrive.

Your dog will reverse disease.

Not ever, you know, get diseased in
the first place if you catch it in time

and or if you, you know, start feeding
early enough before they're diseased

and you can get the maximum potential
lifespan out of your dog, which is super

important to go to dog owners because
they don't live as long as we do.

The, you know, the most we can
hope for is a couple decades, and

that's a portion of our lives.

Why not get the absolute most that
you can, especially if you have 10 or

15 years invested in a dog and bond,
you know, you've, you've spent all of

that time training and bonding and,
and getting that dog comfortable with

you and vice versa, and knowing each
other's routines and body language and

all of that, all of that investment
you want every day that you can get.

Anke: Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Like, yeah, no, for sure.

And, and funny enough, like this first
one that like, he, he made it to almost

17 years, you know, and he never ate
kibble and the other one as well, and the

other one's alive, you know, so, yeah.

It's like, I was laughing when he was
saying like, oh, she gets a banana.

I'm like, my 110 pound
dog would go like, what?

You kidding me?

Yeah,

Nora: a lot of dogs do that, but a
lot of dogs, like I, I took a dog out

from the shelter yesterday on a day
trip, and I offered her all kinds of

real foods and she absolutely, she
loved tomatoes, cucumbers, and apples.

I offered her all three, and
she just loved them both.

And she's a kibble dog.

She's a kibble fed dog.

Yeah.

So, but they

Anke: always know though, right?

I, I don't, yeah.

So, so what?

Do, do you like?

Obviously people get told, oh,
you must feed kibble, right?

I mean, I don't know whether it's in
the US but here definitely vets will

tell you like, that's like you, you
kind of poison your dog if you give

them, and you must not give them, right?

Because I think, I think what
they're often also trying to say

is people will kind of give their
spicy, greasy table scraps, which is

obviously not the alternative, right?

So we're talking no spices and you know.

So how do you, how do you suggest
somebody goes about and they go,

actually, yeah, that makes sense.

Like if I can, you know, give
my dog more longevity, but like

they're used to kibble, how would
you suggest that transition?

Would you go cold Turkey or will
you start mixing it for a bit?

Or, or what's the best way to transition?

Nora: Well, actually not
very much Transitioning.

Transitioning is necessary.

Everything that you need
to know, and this is.

Blatant self-promotion, but
everything you need to know is right.

No, that's what we're

Anke: here for.

Nora: We want people to know, yes, I have
a flow chart in the back that will guide

people to the rotation that they need
to feed their dogs, but there's really

not much transition that's necessary
at all, and in fact, transitioning.

Gets people in trouble sometimes
because they think they need to do

things gradually and they don't.

I mean, if, if you're carrying a
burden, you don't necessarily need

to get rid of your burden, slowly
throw it off, get rid of it, you know.

Um, so if you're, if you've last fed your
dog kibble on Tuesday, you can feed your

dog some kind of plant foods on Wednesday.

And if your dog is one of those
like yours that won't eat fruit, um.

I recommend a, uh, a meal
of cooked yams and quinoa.

Quinoa is a high protein seed that
most dogs like and cooked yams are.

These are the orange potatoes, um,
are pretty much universally loved.

So, and they're even starting to make,
you know, dog treats out of yams since

you've probably seen sweet potatoes,
you've probably seen 'em in the stores.

But, um, so what that does, I've seen

Anke: recipes of people putting them
in the air, and I was, I was just

actually my loves fruit, but she would
go like, one banana, half a banana.

You've gotta be kidding.

Give me like three, like
she's just, she's big.

Yeah.

She wants a lot of it.

Nora: Yes.

And, and she probably would need
three or four or even more, you know?

Yeah.

For a day, for a meal.

But, um, um, where was I?

Okay, so the transition day just needs
to be plant foods because if you have

kibble in the gut, if you have remnants of
that kibble that you fed on Tuesday, yes.

Still lingering in the gut, having.

Gotten all the way out.

If fruit or plant food sits on
top of that, it's not gonna create

the mess that raw meat does.

So if you feed raw meat on top of kibble,
say if you feed kibble on Tuesday and you

wanna introduce raw meat on Wednesday.

Well, there's a possibility that
that, and many people have discovered

this from trying to transition their
dog slowly by mixing raw and kibble

together raw meat and kibble together.

Um, and I did that once
and it was a huge mistake.

And that's how I know that it's,
it can have very bad consequences.

The consequences are not life threatening.

They're not acute, they're just.

Messy because a dog will vomit or have
diarrhea if the meat sits on top of

the kibble and ies because the poisons
that are created when meat sits around

in the gut and ies are pretty severe.

They're, they're, they're,
they're poisonous, right?

They're toxic.

So the body has to get rid of
that, and dogs are set up to.

Eat some decomposing food, right?

They will eat rotting carryon, but
sometimes the body will just go, wait

a minute, we've got kibble in here.

Now we've got raw meat coming in.

I'm just gonna.

Cut my losses and get rid of
this whole mess and start over.

And that's what, and so it's,
it's a crapshoot, right?

You never know which dogs you're
gonna have that kind of problem with.

So the, the, the way to do that is to
either fast the day, complete fast, the

dog completely, which means they get
nothing at all on Wednesday except water.

But if you don't wanna do that.

You can try feeding fruit.

If the dog refuses fruit, then you
can feed this combination or just cook

yams, combination of quinoa, yams,
or just yams for that transition day.

And then on Thursday you will
generally see the orange poops.

Come out from having eaten the, uh,
cooked yams before, the day before.

And that gives you the
all clear signal Yes.

That everything has been cleaned
out in the, in the intestinal

tract, and you can safely feed
raw meat the next day and bones.

Anke: Oh, that makes so much sense.

And that also explains why people feel, I
think it's off probably, I would imagine.

They see the thing and
draw the wrong conclusions.

It's almost like they put it together
and think, oh, we like my dog can't

handle the rapid trend like change.

So we need to transition slower.

So you, it's actually
the other way around.

It's like it's just the mixing
that's actually the problem.

That makes so much sense.

Nora: Yeah, and it's actually worse than
that because they will blame raw food.

They will blame germs.

They will go back to the vet.

And say, oh, my dog threw up yesterday.

What should I do?

And then they get drugs
on top of everything else.

Anke: Oh yeah.

Nora: Um, so yeah, it could be disastrous
for people to try raw food, raw feeding

without knowing what they're doing.

I even had that to happen to,
you know, to myself 25 years ago.

And.

To my, uh, my customers, my dog
walking customers, because, um,

they would try it and I would go,
oh yeah, that, so that's a problem.

So I started, you know, formulating
these ideas and going, there's a way,

there's a way to prevent all of that,
those problems that could be disastrous

by just, um, giving, making sure
that the, the intestinal tract, the

digestive system is completely clear
before you start feeding raw meat.

Anke: I, I mean, it's one of those things
like, you know, when you explain it like

that, it's like, oh, it feels so obvious.

But I think it's one of those things that
somebody needs to point you to because

it's easy to draw the wrong conclusion.

For sure.

For sure.

So are there specific, say, you
were mentioning before, how, you

know, I guess people are aware that
nutrition has a massive impact on.

On health and can even reverse diseases.

So if my dog has something.

So are there specific things that,
you know, you say, okay, if a

dog is ill in one way or another,
like, is does it change the

nutrition or would you apply that?

Um, same protocol all,
all the way through.

Nora: There are actually very few
conditions that require anything specific

because what rotational model feeding RMF
will do is it basically removes all of the

causes of disease because, um, everything
contained in kibble and commercial dog

food, um, contributes to disease, right?

All of those substandard.

Waste y you know, wasteful
products, those, um, they're,

they're basically waste products
of the food processing industry.

That's what goes, that's what the
commercial pet food industry is all about.

It's just the disposal arm of the food,
human food processing industry, and all

of those things combined create disease.

Those things create disease well,
when you stop feeding those things

and the dog's body is only getting.

Those foods, which he has, um,
intrinsic familiarity with, let's

say biological ad adaptation for
then the causes are removed, right?

The causes of all disease.

It's not just some
disease, it's all disease.

And once you start, and that's, that's
the beauty of natural hygiene, which

is the body of print, the body of
knowledge that underlies all of this.

It's just life science, right?

It's just the science of life.

Um, the beauty is once you remove
the cause, the body does the healing.

The body does the healing.

You don't need substances, you
don't need remedies, you don't need

oils, you don't need supplements.

You don't need any products.

And that's why I don't sell any products.

I would love to be able to sell
products because it sure makes.

Earning a living a lot easier, but I
can't, it would make me a hypocrite

because once you remove the cause of
disease, the body does the healing

if you just get outta the way.

That's what we're doing with this.

So there are very few conditions I can't
even think of, I mean, I can't even think

of one that would require, uh, a different
protocol than, uh, than the others.

Um.

Because we're always, you know, for
kidney, kidney disease, for example,

we're always being told by vets
that they need a low protein diet.

Well, that's not true because it's not
eating too much protein that caused

the kidney disease in the first place.

It was commercial pet food, which has
cooked proteins which are taxing on

the kidneys and not enough protein
and too much fat and all of that.

So you're removing that
and just giving the dog.

The foods that the kidneys are set up
to digest, to, um, deal with, then the

kidneys are gonna resolve themselves.

They're gonna sort themselves
out so that that's not even true.

So, um, yeah, I, I just can't even
think of a single condition that

requires a special feeding protocol.

RMF pretty much across the
board removes causes of disease.

Hmm.

Anke: I

Nora: mean that,

Anke: that makes so much sense.

And I guess you're probably not
popular amongst veterinarian and,

and pet food industry, right?

Nora: No, uh, unfortunately,
unfortunately, except for the,

the dog owning proletariat
out there, RMF doesn't really.

RMF is in the cross hairs
of so many industries.

Nobody likes us.

Um, I mean everybody has except the
dogs, I would imagine, except the

dogs and, and people who want, and
the people who want the dogs to live.

Because product sellers hate us.

And I mean, I try to tell people,
you don't need supplements, you don't

need oils, you don't need products
or remedies or blah, blah, blah.

Every time I say this, I
that I make a new enemy.

I mean, I have so many people
blocked on Facebook that, uh, I

mean probably my enemies list is
longer than my friends list, but

that's, people are in their living.

Selling those things and it
becomes very personal to them.

It starts to feel to them like a personal
attack when I tell people they don't

need to buy supplements or remedies.

Mm-hmm.

Anke: But I guess it's the
same with people, right?

It's almost like you,
it's the same principle.

I mean, I guess there's doctor and
everybody is like, here's pills

and here's this and here's that.

And, and just kind of puffing
around on the surface kind of

treating, treating symptoms.

And I was lucky enough with, with,
um, with my Leo initially when he got,

because obviously, I mean, I didn't know,
you know, I found him in the street.

You know, it was like,
okay, I've got a dog now.

Great.

You know, I mean, I wanted a
dog, but I'd never had one.

And so obviously what the vet tells me,
I didn't expect it to be so off the mark.

Right.

So yeah, I started out, oh, okay.

Gave you a cable and he would, you
know, and he had skin problems.

Right.

And it was always a
struggle to get him to eat.

Like he'd have his little bowl and
you'd always like, kind of like, you

know, always have to encourage him
like he didn't want it, you know?

Mm-hmm.

And, and so when I then stumbled
across this book and like, and I

go, oh no, don't feed him that.

And I looked at the label of the dog food.

I was sold.

I'm like, I'm not giving that, you know?

So I changed away probably not
even to something that would.

I don't know.

I can't even remember.

Like I, I did start kind of not
buy stuff, you know, but probably

still made lots of mistakes.

But the thing was, his skin problems were
gone within a few days, really, you know?

And yeah, there's so many.

And he ate, all of a sudden he had so
much appetite and all of a sudden, you

know, he didn't poop five times a day
and like literally a lot, all his issues

were like gone away within a week.

Nora: Right.

And so many conditions
don't require optimal.

You can.

And that's why people, they try to
replicate commercial food, they think

that's the ideal to strive for, right?

So they try to replicate commercial
pet food in their kitchens and just

doing that can solve a lot of problems.

Yeah.

Um, and pe.

So people go out and they go,
well, I feed this and this, and I

throw everything in the crockpot
and my dog's allergies went away.

And you know, but the problem is
later on, that's not ideal either.

So the dog will show some improvements
initially, but then later on

they will develop more problems.

Well, rotational mono feeding
is pretty much the best, right?

It's taken from what we know about.

Wild dog behavior.

Mm-hmm.

Wild dog.

We can still observe them.

We track them.

We have, they have GPS
trackers on their collars now.

We see everything they eat, everything
they do, every step they take, we see

their, their wounds heal naturally with
no stitching up and no antibiotics.

And you know, sure, sometimes they
die, but very often they don't.

And they have very serious
injuries because they're.

Food fights back, right?

Yeah.

Their food wants to go on living.

So, um, we see we have the means to watch
wild dogs and see what they eat and the

closer we can get to that, the better.

Anke: Yeah.

I mean, that makes, boy, that
makes all the sense in the world.

And, um.

I'm, I'm just like, my mind just sort
of processing because it feels like

it's, it makes so much sense and people
need to, you know, I guess we sort of

coming to our senses for people, you
know, and I think with dog, and I always

think dog food is, dogs don't complain,
they gobble up, whatever, you know.

So I think it's, it's, it's easier.

I read some Oh, that's right.

I, um.

I remember reading, I, I'm pretty sure
you, you know, the details of that,

that, um, all these health problems
with like, the dogs kind of have, you

know, get cancer and that dog's kind
of diet 10 years, that that's all

stuff that's actually all very recent.

Yes.

That you can literally, I remember
reading something that they said,

well, you can literally track it
back to when commercial dog food was

introduced, that all these things happen.

Nora: Yes.

Unfortunately it happens sort of, um.

Concurrently with a lot of other
bad things that have happened

too, like jabbing dogs with
chemicals, if you know what I mean.

And, uh, and the, the
increasing, you know, amount

of jabbing that we do to dogs.

Um, I hope people know
what I mean by that.

And, uh, but it's mostly food.

It is mostly food and
also the drugging of dogs.

And when you said dogs can't complain,
it's absolutely true and that's what

makes the fact that vets have become
pretty much glorified drug reps.

Um, that's what makes it much worse for
animals than it is for humans because.

So many problems.

So many health issues are made worse
with the administration of drugs.

And what the advantage that humans have
is we can go to our doctor and say, you

know, you gave me this drug for my symptom
and the drug actually makes me feel worse.

And so I'm gonna stop taking that drug.

I would like a different drug.

Um, whatever.

They can do that.

Well, you take your dog.

And if you're not willing to undergo a lot
of very expensive diagnostics, there is a

lot of guesswork that goes into diagnosing
a dog in the veterinary profession.

And once they have a diagnosis that just
tells 'em what drug to administer and

when the drug is administered, if the
owner sees the original symptom, go away.

That is success in the owner's mind.

That is success in the vet's mind.

That owner will be going back to
get more of that remedy if they,

if it's intended to be used lo
longer, and they usually are, right?

There's lifetime disease management.

That's the goal, right?

Of the pharmaceutical industry.

But what dogs can't do is they can't
tell the owner, no, my original symptom

is gone away, but I actually feel worse.

Yeah, I'd like to have my original
symptom back because I feel worse.

And we see this so much in these horrible
drugs like Prednisone and Cytopoint and

Apoquel and the steroids and um, which
includes prednisone and so many others.

Um, where dogs just, they have.

Seizures and, um, you know,
neurological issues and paralysis

and those kinds of things.

It's, it's just, it's horrible, you know,
as long as what we see after we administer

a drug is not worse than the original
symptom, we think that that's successful.

Well, it's not, it's not.

What we need to do is
stay away from the vet.

Figure out what's you know, causing,
and I've already told everybody

here, right here in this podcast
that it's commercial pet food, right?

Just change that.

You don't have to worry about your
dog's psychological security if the

right food is going in his mouth,
because his body is going to then

have enough energy to heal itself.

It's that

Anke: self-healing that
makes so much sense, right?

Yes.

So it's almost like it's not
our job to heal the dog, it's

to create the environment where
the, the body can heal itself.

And that's like, it's the same for people.

Nora: Yes.

You know,

Anke: so it makes, it makes
all the sense in the world.

So.

Can you just put that book up again?

Like, you know, obviously we're gonna pop
the link in the, in the show notes, and

where can people find out more about you,
you know, any questions they have and,

and, you know, work with you or get in

Nora: touch.

Uh, well, probably the best way, I
mean, I'm most attentive to Facebook,

but if people just want the bare bones
explanation of what it's all about,

the website is a good place to start.

Um, and it's rotational mono feeding.com.

RMF, pets for short.

RMF Pets, you can do either.

Um, my website originally was
called No More Vet Bills because

I really wanted to encourage love.

I wanted to encourage people
to stay away from the vet

industry because it has become.

In effect kind of predatory, just like
the human, um, pharmaceutical industry

or the human, you know, medical industry.

You, you really, your goal should
be to just stay away from it.

Just avoid it.

It's, it's for emergency care.

Yeah.

It's not for disease.

It's, they, they function
best as trauma care.

Not for disease.

So we just wanna avoid disease, we wanna
prevent it, reverse it if it's already

there, and then just stay away from them.

So, um, anyway, I have a, so I
have a couple Facebook groups.

I have a public Facebook group with 22,000
members, and then I have a, a private

Facebook group, which is subscription
only, and that's the one that I moderate.

I answer people's questions every day.

I do a weekly podcast for the subscribers,
uh, where I take their questions.

That's every Saturday.

I have a YouTube channel under my name
and one under rotational mono feeding with

lots of interviews just like this one.

Um, and some other like
webinars and whatnot.

And, um, inst I have a
slight presence on Instagram.

Um, and I think that's pretty much it.

Anke: Awesome.

Well thank you so much.

Really, really enlightening and
insightful and you know, I think

we're all gonna go and run and
get that book now, so I hope so.

You know, because our dogs will
definitely, and I have, have a sense that

I think, you know, we are gonna learn
some stuff for our own health as well,

because as you said before, there's more
parallels and there are differences.

So that was definitely
really wonderful point.

So thank you so much.

Nora: Yes.

I like to, in fact, think of my book as a
portal for people to start thinking about

their own health because many times people
are threatened by the idea of changing

themselves, but when they go ahead and
make changes for their dog, it's like put,

you don't have to do anything different.

You just put different food in the bowl.

You don't have to dress your addictions to
put different food in the bowl, but you do

that and you see these miraculous changes
in your dog, and you go, wait a second.

I could probably do that for me too.

And they do.

And it has been, uh, effective in
that way for so many people, so.

Oh, I love that.

I love, anyway, I love,
I won't flab on anymore.

I'm so thankful for this opportunity
to talk to you this morning Anki.

So.

Well,

Anke: thank you so much and thank
you for sharing all of this.

Like they were like you, I
was gonna like, wait, what?

My mind was amazing.

So, so much, so much insight in,
in such a short amount of time.

So I'm incredibly grateful.

Thank you so much.

Nora: Alright, you're welcome.

Have a good evening.

You too.

Thanks so much for listening.

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