Soul Touched by Dogs

Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs
Podcast, the show for dog lovers who

see dogs not as toys or tools, but
wise souls worth our respect and care.

I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host.

I talk to poor some humans, people who
do great work for dogs and their people.

So come and join us for
today's conversation.

Anke: Hello and welcome to it.

I'm very honored to have you here with me

Turid: today.

Well, it's nice to see you too,
and find out what you are doing.

Anke: Well, my mission is to bring
experts like you to people who have

dogs and wanna be the best people
they can possibly be for them.

So this is a real honor
for me to have you here.

So, because I've seen some things
about your work, so I'm very keen

to share your expertise with people.

So why don't you share with people
where you are based and you know

how, what's your business with dogs?

Turid: Do you know, uh, I have been
working with a lot of things after the

years and done so many different kind
of studies and, and all kind of things.

So there are many things that are, uh,
interesting for me to talk about and I

don't really know what you, what you are.

People are interested in and
what kind of people they are.

Uh, usually when, uh, when I speak
to people I know approximately where

they come from because one of the
interesting things is that, uh,

dog owners are not only dog owners,
they are also very culturally, um.

You know, in each, each place
they have some dog cultures that

are different from other places.

That's true.

And then if, uh, for instance,
your people are mostly from Spain?

Uh, okay.

So no, they're mostly

Anke: in the States and the uk.

There's quite a few Australians as well.

So all speaking countries.

Turid: Yeah.

Yeah.

Anke: No Spanish people won't
follow us if we talk in English.

Okay.

No,

Turid: no.

Uh, so it's always a bit difficult to, to
say what, uh, would I like to share, uh,

Americans, us and Canada, and I would say
talk seriously about a few things to them.

Australians, some something
else, European, something else.

Again, because it's so
different what people are doing.

Anke: Yeah.

So let's go for the states, because
I think most, if I look at mm-hmm.

The statistics, most of my
people would be in the States.

But I'm really curious also like
where you see those main differences.

Turid: Yeah.

Uh, the, it is really amazing how
big the differences are and I learned

about it when I traveled, which I
don't do anymore, but I traveled a lot

and I was a lot in the United States.

And, um, uh, what is typical about,
uh, dog owners there is that they are.

So, uh, much into controlling dogs,
they are so afraid of, uh, people

thinking that they are not good enough
and what the neighbors are saying,

and everybody needs to think that they
are good and they have wonderful dogs

and much more than any other places.

Anke: Wow.

I didn't realize because I,
I'm very aware that in Spain

the culture is very different.

So it's, well, it's a tool and if it
doesn't serve me in some way, then, you

know, so it's probably quite the opposite.

Turid: So every, every time I traveled,
I had, I prepared very much by the

culture I was going to, uh, to work in.

And going to the United States of
America was always troublesome for

me because what we are doing is, uh,
trying to deal with dogs in the most

natural way that it's possible to do it.

We cannot be completely natural because
our lives are not natural anymore.

But, uh, we can do it as much as we can.

And, uh, the way people keep dogs in, in
America is very, very, very unnatural.

Uh, so trying to make them be interested
in letting go of their control.

And give F in whatever the neighbors
are saying about you, and try

to do the best for your dog.

Uh, that is,

Anke: uh,

Turid: not easy.

Anke: I can imagine.

So, so what, how would you, how would
you, like, how would you normally

start with people when they kind
of think, oh my God, I've got a,

you know, and I do actually recall.

You know, when I had my first dog and
you walk around the neighborhood and

you have people sort of behind their
windows and you kind of feel already

judged before they say anything.

Right.

So what would, like, how would do you
recommend you go about, okay, let's

just, you know, give my dog a bit.

Dog.

Yeah.

What I

Turid: try to do is to tell people what
is, uh, natural for dogs, what they like,

uh, what they want their lives to be.

Uh, and that means they
need a lot of freedom.

Freedom to move, freedom to think
and do what they like, uh, which

is very, very strange to Americans.

Mm.

They always keep them under search
control, that they, they stay in crates.

They have to eat a certain kind of food.

They are allowed this, they are
not allowed that, and they walk in

in very short leashes and they are
not allowed to do anything that

dogs naturally would like to do.

Uh, I always try to talk about how,
uh, important it is for dogs and

people as well to grow up with a
kind of freedom of thinking, trying

to be creative and do what they,
uh, like to do, to develop properly.

They need a lot of physical freedom to
develop healthy, uh, for their body.

Uh, and, uh, that is, that
is very important to me.

Hmm.

Uh, there's a lot of very, uh, unnatural
ways of looking at dogs because, uh,

I feel that, uh, one of the worst
things that has happened to the dog

world is, uh, classes and training.

And scientists because they try to make
everything by a, a schedule a book,

and everybody has to fit into that.

Anke: Yeah.

So much more room to
get things wrong, right?

Turid: Yeah.

And when you put, uh, we know for many,
many years now that when you put kids

into a frame like that, they will not
develop, they will not, uh, thrive.

And you will lose a lot of brilliant
minds and wonderful people because

they cannot get outta the frame.

Hmm.

Anke: And that is the same problem though,
because I mean, what you just described.

How dogs are like controlled every
second and every, I'm like, well,

aren't we doing the same with kids?

Turid: Mm mm

Anke: It's very parallel, isn't it?

So how can we get some freedom back there?

When I wa

Turid: Yeah.

And when I was traveling around in the US
and saw how they stay in crates, they are

allowed to take just a few steps here.

Uh, just a few steps there, and there's
absolutely no freedom or mind or movement.

At all.

And I saw the result.

I've never seen so many
depressed dogs in my life.

Wow.

And people think they are well
behaved, uncontrolled, and wonderful.

And all I could see was
depression, like shut down.

Not shut down because that is, you
saw that also, but that is, uh,

the last little, uh, piece of it.

But they are depressed.

Mm-hmm.

Just like people are depressed,
going around, being sad.

Cannot think any, any
thoughts by themselves.

That is why so many people just follow
what leaders tell them because they have

never learned to think by themselves.

And I always, uh, tell my, uh, my clients,
just watch your dogs and see how smart

they are when they are allowed to think.

And it is my belief and not only belief.

I know for sure because I've trained tens
of thousands of dogs up through the years.

I try to count it.

I I given up because it's too many.

But, uh, what I see and still see is
that when you let go, when you let

them be allowed to think and find out
about things, dogs are so smart, people

underestimate them in incredibly bad.

They are so smart and, uh, for
instance, my, uh, my daughter, uh,

I work together with her now and,
uh, she for a half a year now has

been looking after a couple of dogs.

Uh, for some specific reason, and
they are a typical example, uh,

they are just stressed and hopeless
and incredibly, uh, well, shall

we say, uh, unsmart in many ways.

And, uh, she has been
doing what we always do.

We let them have a chance to develop.

And, uh, some time ago she told me with a
happy voice that today I saw the dog think

he was using his brain for the first time.

Wow.

And, uh, when people cannot believe that
dogs can do that and control them all that

all the time and keep them within these
frames, don't let them develop at all.

We get this, all these problems,
we get behavior problems.

We get, uh, what we call.

Dog to dog problems.

We get all kind of physical problems and
we get dogs who have all the problems you

can think of in the world, in the wild,
they would never had those problems.

Yeah, because they would have been able
to develop and they would have been smart.

I call them street streetwise
because they have an.

An incredible ability to find out
about how to deal with problems in

daily life if they are allowed to.

Anke: Yeah, that's, I mean, I
actually found like three out

of my pool are from the street.

I.

Hmm.

Anke: And boy, they know their way
around and they know how to, they

know their way, you know, get food
and how to, oh, I'm cute and I know

you're gonna give me something.

Like, they know how to,

Turid: not only that, they
found out about problems.

They solve problems, and they
are so much quicker about it

and smarter than people are.

And when people ask me, uh,
how, how intelligent are dogs?

And I say, I don't know, but they are
definitely more intelligent than we are.

Because we do all the wrong things.

They don't, I, I trust them 200
percentage and in my experience in

all the years I've been working with
dogs, I've never been wrong in it.

Wow.

So, uh, uh, what I want to, to
tell people, please, please let

dogs have a chance of growing up,
develop their natural skills and

their fantastic social skills.

Because we have so much to
learn from dogs in that respect.

I think that in, when people ask me
about what kind of methods do you

use, I say, I don't use any methods.

I, I try to, to read and connect
with the dog and then find out

what the dog wants and what he,
that dog needs, and there it is.

Very simple actually.

Dogs do not need to do
tricks and fun things.

Adult dogs are adult dogs
and they think adult ways.

I.

Much more than, uh, for
instance, Spanish people.

They are much more adult
than Spanish people.

So, and they, uh, we have, we
had to see what is necessary.

So if I had a dog, uh, the last,
uh, the last two dogs I took in,

they were adult when I got them.

And, uh, I never, as
long as I had them said.

One command or ask them one thing, but
they would always do what they wanted

anyway because they are so smart in seeing
what we need, where they need to be.

They follow where you are.

They keep track of you.

They, they are family members.

They wouldn't leave the family
if they feel good in a family.

No way.

They would.

And they will solve the
problems that that comes up.

They will share their things.

They will share their, their time
and their food and their, their

generosity with all the dogs and people.

They will, they will be totally
different than people see dogs today.

Instead of putting on a leash, going
for a nice little walk around the,

the, the block and back again and into
the crate and give him some dry food.

I would never give a dog dry food.

Never.

They need food.

They need to be free.

I never had a crate in my house
and will never, never have it.

Hmm.

Turid: No living animals
should be in a crate.

Anke: Hmm.

Do you, do you think.

I'm thinking like when I first
got my first dog, you know, well,

yeah, it wasn't planned move.

It was like, here's a puppy, and
like it's alone in the street.

So all of a sudden I had, I mean,
I wanted one, but I was kind of

like, he sort of found me and I.

I was living in the historic part of, of
Granada, so very busy, very narrow, and

so it was quite a stressful environment
for a dog as I realized seeing them how,

you know, he, and especially the second
one was very sensitive, very like, this

is like information overload all the time.

So.

Over the years, I moved like
further and further away.

So now I have a space where the doors
open, the dogs come and go as they want.

Mm-hmm.

And boy can you tell the difference
in the way they are chilled out and

you know, friendly with everyone.

So literally what you are
saying, and I find having the

space makes that so much easier.

So what's your take on people with
dogs and towns in cities where

there isn't that space available?

Turid: I, I wouldn't worry about it.

Uh, there are, uh, of course you have to,
when you get a puppy, you have to be a

bit careful so they don't get into trouble
with some natural dogs because there are

a lot of them also around, we don't have
them because we don't have any stray dogs.

Uh, and uh, so we are,
uh, quite lucky that way.

Uh, but, uh.

Uh, I wouldn't be too worried about
except for the, these puppies,

you have to shield the puppies.

You have to protect them.

Like, if a puppy grew up in a, uh,
a family of dogs, they, all the

dogs would protect him all the time.

He would be totally safe.

Nobody will let anybody
do any harm to that puppy.

Uh, adult dogs are f builders.

Parents and caretakers.

Much, much better than any person.

Human, uh, human person.

Yeah.

Anke: I, I've experienced that.

This one, she literally raised
the last one, the last one came.

She was tiny and she took care of her.

She put up with all her puppy antics
and playing in this, and it was

the easiest puppy to raise for me.

'cause I had no work to do.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The dog did it all.

Turid: Oh yes.

And I see that also.

So they need to be protected and the best
if you have, uh, adult dogs to do it.

But if not, you have to do it.

You have to be a good
parent for that puppy.

When they're over the puppy
age, they, they can need to

get out and get challenges.

Because they need to, to, uh, take
challenges and work through it as well.

Uh, when they are adult and have
learned a lot about life being, uh,

to some certain degree protected by us
and had the freedom to find out about

things, they don't need that anymore.

They will do it by themselves.

They will are perfectly fine in, in,
uh, uh, living in tight places and

difficult places and ated places.

I mean, uh, dogs who live, uh, free in
the street in, uh, busy, busy, uh, cities.

They, they are never run down
by cars because they know

how to, to deal with traffic.

I mean, in, in big cities, they
actually go by the traffic lights.

They cross the street on green light.

People run, they run on red
light, and this dogs stand there

waiting for the green light.

So who's the smartest?

Anke: Yeah.

There was this dog who would regularly
catch like different buses to go

to a dog park by himself for years.

Mm-hmm.

Anke: You know, you
would like, I think you.

Yeah.

This idea that we totally
underestimate them was like, you

can literal to see that everywhere.

Oh yes.

Turid: We underestimate them.

And uh, it also has to do with the
fact that, uh, human beings, we are the

absolutely youngest, uh, creation, uh, on
earth of all the species that has been,

uh, developed, uh, uh, on this globe.

We are the youngest, we are
still green horns and in a.

Hmm.

We haven't learned to live and
take care of ourselves yet.

Just see what we do with the world.

We are destroying our own world.

Dogs wouldn't do that.

No.

Anke: No animal would be that stupid,

Turid: right?

No, they wouldn't.

Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, so, uh, we are so young and
such greenhorns yet that we do all

the mistakes and we don't seem to
learn properly by it yet either.

It'll take some million years before
that happens, I think, and by then

we had probably erased ourselves.

Yeah.

Turid: We, we need to now start to
listen to what animals tell us how to

live and how to survive in a proper way.

Anke: Yeah.

And in harmony with what's around

Turid: the, the harmony
in a proper free dog.

Family Pack is incredible.

They protect each other.

They take care of the puppies.

They let them develop and grow up in a
healthy way so they become perfect adults.

And when we get puppies, we make
trouble after of everything.

Anke: That's so true.

I mean, I guess it's this whole
helicopter parenting thing.

Turid: Yeah.

Anke: And we do it to dogs as well.

Turid: I'm not, and I'm not very impressed
by people's ability to deal with dogs.

All they can think about
is, oh, co competition.

Competition.

Ooh, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun for dogs.

That is meaningless.

When they are young, they are young and
they can, uh, have some fun with, we

run around and do do silly things just
like young people do, but when they

are adult, they are adult and they take
that responsibility really seriously.

Adult dogs don't play, they
don't run around looking like

idiots, like, uh, people do.

So, uh, my, my mission, I feel is more
or less to try to make people see, uh,

how natural we can be with dogs and
try to do it the way that dogs would

do it, as close to it as is possible.

Hmm.

I, I never use a command to a dog.

Never.

It's not necessary.

If I want the doctor to follow me,
I just turn and walk and I follow.

That's, no,

Anke: nothing more about it.

Yeah.

Anke: That's fascinating.

And so, I mean, how would
somebody go about, um, I.

You know, somebody listening, going,
oh my God, I, I wish I could just turn

around my, my dog would follow me.

But like say if you have a dog who's
kind of used to crate and leash and you

know, and you think like, that's right.

It's time to do something different.

You know, how can somebody start shifting?

Uh,

Turid: it, it'll be a little
different in each case because, uh,

all cases are a little different.

But as a golden rule, I would
say first and foremost, you have

to stop all these commanding and
controlling of the dog when you go out.

And it's necessary to have
controlled okay, have a lesion.

So, uh, it nothing happens.

That's okay.

But you have to make a new
schedule for yourself and your dog.

Find a place every day where
the dog can be free outside.

Uh, here in my country, we are now
starting to get more and more and more

of this huge enclosures where peop people
can go with one, one dog and just let him

be free in there to, to just feel free.

That is so beautiful.

It is getting very common now, and
I think it'll be more and more in

the future and, and of course at
home, always free in the house.

No restrictions whatsoever.

He should be just as free in the
house that you are if you are

not allowed to sit on a chair.

Okay, the, your dog can get the
same restriction, but if you

are allowed to sit there, the
dog should also, if he wants to.

Yeah.

Turid: That's my, uh, philosophy.

Okay.

So free, a lot of freedom,
uh, places outside to feel

free and move not by running.

Uh, and you stop all that ball
throwing and stick throwing.

It's one of the worst
things you can do with dogs.

It's, it's completely idiotic.

You have never seen in the wild that they
run for the same thing 30 times in a row.

No dog would be that ideal.

It would never be that stupid.

If they cannot catch it the
first time, they don't do it.

Finished with that.

Learn from the dog.

They know so much better
what is good for them.

Uh, freedom every day.

Then you can very easily teach a dog
to, to, uh, fall of you wherever you go.

You can start training, uh,
a little bit in, in your own

house, uh, or just outside.

You walk, you have to walk slow enough
for your dog because people walk too fast.

No dog has that space, that,
uh, pace of, uh, walking.

And we have to, we have to do it at
the, your own dogs leg length there.

Smaller the dog, the,
the slower you must walk.

And we have done some testing.

We take the time when we see, uh, a dog
has a very relaxed and nice walking.

We take the time from A to
B to see how fast that is.

And, uh, I never see people
who walk slow enough.

Never.

They have to learn to do it.

Hmm.

So we have to learn to walk, uh, with
a dog, not the dog to walk with us.

Yeah,

Turid: this has to be a, a
thing that we do together.

Hmm.

Turid: So you walk out, walk
slowly, and then you just change

body, change direction and
the dog changes to, that's all

Anke: there is to it.

And you can stand going

Anke: together.

I love that.

I actually all, I, I've naturally
sort of done that from thinking

like, it's your walk, right?

It's not about you running next to me.

It's like, we are out here
because the walk's for you.

So we are traveling together and I got so
much criticism from, from neighbors, like,

oh, you can't let the dog control you.

And oh my God.

Turid: Oh yes, absolutely.

That's the best thing in the world
because they are much smarter than we are.

So I would that, that, that, that's
some, uh, myth that's come up

with all this scientific nonsense
that they are dealing with.

That we have to be the boss
and we have to do this.

And no, we don't.

We are stupid compared to dogs.

They're, and it works.

It really works.

So, uh, the only things we teach people
is to walk slow enough for your dog, let

them sniff and explore as much as he want.

Because the number one thing for
a dog is to be able to use his

senses, first and foremost, the
eyes, to look what is around him.

That's how he learns how to deal with
and handle and cope with the environment.

It not looking at you.

And one thing that, one thing I have
started a fight against, it's a war,

a civil war against, and that is
making the dog go looking at you.

Oh, it is the worst thing
you can do because in one

way it's physically damaging.

They destroy the next and
almost all adult dogs I see.

I can say right away that dog has had to
go and look at the own owner in contact

training because they are completely
destroyed in their neck and back.

Yeah.

'cause I have to kind
of look up all the time.

You can see it immediately.

If the dog has had to do that
and they have so much pain in the

neck, because that is painful.

If you talk to people and almost all
people at some point have had, uh, some

pain in the neck and it is painful.

And your dogs, people, most of you, your
dogs go around with that pain a lot.

And that is why they start, uh, they start
launching and, uh, barking at the dogs.

When they go for walks and they get
irritable, they get nervous, they get

angry because they have so much pain.

Yeah, that makes sense.

So we need to learn to
go relaxed and enjoy.

Being with a dog, we call it walking
with a loose leash, a smiling

leash hanging, not tight at all.

Let the dog explore and see and
learn from where he is walking.

Enjoy the walk instead of exercising.

Yeah, so true.

So true.

And besides of that.

The dog doesn't need anything.

Mm-hmm.

Freedom or movement for
health and also feeling good.

Uh, have all the choices in
the world what to do and be

allowed to, to walk, uh, at ease.

Having a good time at the speed
that is good for him physically.

Hmm.

Turid: And, uh, being able to explore
the world exploring is the most

important thing that dogs can do.

It develops them incredibly well.

That's how they live in the, in the wild.

Yeah.

They know everything about
their environment and

that's what they want to do.

And besides of that, you
don't have to do a thing.

I love it.

If you want your dog to be calm, you just
sit down in a chair and calm yourself,

and the dog will be calm because they,
they settle in and do what they see.

We, we do, they copy us.

Anke: Yeah.

And they observe us really well.

I mean, I have like one on mine he knew.

I literally made experiments because
there was literally the slightest thing.

Like, oh, let's go out.

And he'd be like, oh, we're going out.

Right?

And I'm sometimes wondering was like,
give, am I giving something away?

And I would make a point of
not moving and he'd still know.

Yes, that dog would read my mind,
you know, before I was thinking,

Turid: no, they don't read minds, but, uh,
they, you give away some electric impulses

that you're not, uh, aware of yourself.

Yeah.

And it can be just a little, uh, a
little stiffening of the body going out.

I'm getting ready.

Mm-hmm.

Oh yes.

Don't quote that one.

Yeah.

Whether you like it or not.

Yeah.

They are so, so good at picking up what

Anke: is around them.

Totally.

Totally.

And I mean, now I'm sometimes wondering
when, you know, I will make, I.

Sometimes I'll wear the same thing
I would wear when I go out with

them and I'm like, there's literally
don't bother kind of, you know,

it's like don't bother, just sort.

I'm thinking like is, isn't that
interesting how they always know

whether they're coming or not?

Even though there is like
nothing obvious that's different.

Mm-hmm.

When you, you think.

Turid: They are so sensitive to small,
small changes of, of, uh, electric

impulses in your body and brain.

Mm-hmm.

From, from a distance even.

And then people are actually using, uh,
their voice like, oh, don't do that.

I mean, they, what the heck
do they think dogs are?

If I, if I would like to praise my dog for
something, I would say, what a good dog.

That's fine.

Yeah.

I don't have to say what a good,

so, uh, we have a lot to learn.

Yeah, we really have.

But first and foremost,
let go of that control.

And when you go out for a
walk, leave the treats at home.

Don't go feeding the dog.

What the heck are you feeding the dog for?

On the walk is not supposed to go.

Looking at your pocket is
going, is supposed to go.

Look at the world around.

It's,

Anke: it's funny, my mind
don't actually, like I've never

taken treats, not interested.

Like, no, we're out, like
sniffing and not interesting.

Yeah.

Well,

Turid: well treats can be used sometimes
when we do some serious training

because that happens sometimes.

Mm.

Uh, but, uh, that is so rare.

Otherwise, uh, that's no point.

The only way to use trees is to
throw them out in the garden and

let a dog find them in his own way.

And, uh, I must say that,
um, I'm not impressed about

the so-called expert either.

We had some veterinarians
visiting here so many years ago.

And, uh.

They had taken some behavior classes
too, so they felt they were so good

at behavior and we were sitting out
in the yard and, uh, talking about

different things and I was started to
get really mad because they had so little

knowledge about what they were doing.

And I was really getting fired up,
but I waited to see what was going

on and then they, uh, dis discovered
that I didn't know what I was talking

about when we talked about, uh,
using the nose and finding things.

They couldn't understand that.

So I said, okay.

Sit still.

I took some treats and I just threw it
all over the yard and sat down again

and my dog started to to search them,
and these veterinarian behaviorists

were sitting, they're saying, how does
he know that they are treats there?

I mean so much for being specialist.

Wow.

Wow.

That's scary.

Scary.

It scared the hell out of me.

Yeah.

And if we are dealing with specialists
like that, we will never get anywhere.

Yeah.

So if anybody want to learn
anything, don't go to specialists.

Go to the dog.

Mm-hmm.

I love that.

Ask your dog.

What do you really want?

Well, mom, I like to go out and
explore a bit and there's so

many nice smells around there.

That's what I would like to do.

Anke: Yeah.

I love it.

It's, I think that's, that's part of
what, what my mission is with Soul

Touched by Dogs is that seeing dogs as
the wise teachers that they are, you

know, because I think we so kind of
think we know better and I don't, yeah.

Turid: I got more and more and into
this natural ways the older I get.

And if I happen to be 300 years old,
maybe I will be good enough at it.

I'm still a human being.

Unfortunately, there's nothing to
say about that, but I, I feel like

I'm a long way and for many years
now, we get a lot of, um, old clients

coming with real big problems in dogs.

Hmm.

And.

They expect some very intricated
and advanced techniques and training

and this and that and everything,
and that's not what it's about.

These natural ways work also for
these dogs, more for these dogs

because they have had a very,
very unnatural and limited life.

Anke: So they can, I mean, that's good.

That's, that's really comforting to hear
that they can recover and they can, you

know, they've not forgotten to be a dog.

Right?

So the moment you allow
them to be a dog, they can.

And there's

Turid: a lot of people who,
uh, when I was traveling around

that, uh, wanted to test me.

She can talk about being nice.

Let's see if she dares
to go into that dog.

So they often sent me into dogs
that nobody dare to go into.

I, I've been into these talks a lot.

I've never ever been beaten.

Because if you behave like a
decent human being instead of

a controlling idiot, dogs, no.

We get, still get, uh, clients
with dogs like that now and then

saying, I don't dare to let him
loose because he will bite you and

say, no, he won't, he won't bite us.

And he doesn't.

Anke: I can, I can totally
picture the owners be like,

you know, how is that possible?

Turid: Yeah.

Sometimes they sit there holding onto the
leash and say, no, no, I don't dare to.

Because he will bite.

He never does.

Never.

Anke: I mean, that's the thing.

They're so much smarter than we think.

Right.

Turid: I trust dogs.

I trust them.

I feel I, I, I know so much about their,
their nature, how they are, how they

really are, that I dare to trust them.

And so far in all my life, and with
all the many hundreds of the, of

dogs I have been hand having my hand
on, I've never been disappointed.

Anke: Can't see that, can't say
that for people often, right?

Turid: Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

So, uh, I, I, there's not much I
can tell people to start doing.

I, I would never say, oh, just start doing
this and that, and train that and do this.

That won't help anything.

You have to change your mindset and try
to see and feel how dogs are naturally.

That is friendly social, fantastically
smart in finding ways of the trouble

and, uh, street wise, and
they are to be trusted

Totally.

Anke: Where can people go and get
in touch with you and find out more

about, you know, and start changing
their mind to, to really respect dogs?

Well,

Turid: I do.

I do get males from people from
all over the world every day.

I answer a lot of males every day,
and I can't help them very much

because, uh, what can you tell on male?

You don't even know people and what
they are doing with their dogs.

It's, it's not easy at all.

I try to send them to, uh, any of my
students that might be close by so they

can get some physical help to do it.

They often need that.

Yeah.

Turid: Because one thing is
saying to a person, don't

command the dog all the time.

Oh, I don't do that.

And when you listen to them, they
have commanded the dog 74 times

in half an hour without them
even noticing that they do it.

Mm-hmm.

So, uh, uh, they can contact
me and I try to help people.

I try to set them in contact with,
uh, uh, trainers who can give them a

little kick in the ass on the right way

if they want to.

Uh, and.

Of course I can read my book about
calming signals, but that is also quite

misunderstood, particularly by Americans.

They seem to misunderstand most things.

So, uh,

because they try to put the commands
on calming signals, they haven't

even understood that it's a language.

Mm-hmm.

That's a way of talking.

Um.

So it's not easy, but if people want
to, they can contact me on mail, of

course, and I, I try to help if I can.

That's all I can, uh, I do, uh, I'm
not working very much, uh, anymore

because, uh, I cannot travel anymore.

I'm old.

I'm not very physically healthy,
so, but I do what I can.

And I do have a webinar series
for, for instance, the Nordic,

uh, education, uh, center.

I suppose you have the Yep.

Anke: On the show Yeah.

Catalyst, but on the show.

Turid: Yep.

So those, uh, I have those webinars
and uh, I think that might be a

little eye opener to some people.

And, um, then, so not
so much more I can do.

I'm, that's plenty though.

I'm a mentor for a lot of
trainers and I try to help them.

Uh.

Overcome their, their fear or letting
go of control again, because that

seems to be a big fear in people.

Yeah.

What can I do if I don't have control?

Anke: And, and what will change?

What else will change in
life once we start doing it?

Turid: Do you know?

To see the change in a dog who all of
a sudden is allowed to be a dog, the

joy in their eyes, and they, the way
they all of a sudden develop and get

self-confident and they, you see a
totally different personality in that dog.

Anke: It's easy to imagine like
it's, yeah, and it's beautiful

and I think dogs need it.

So thank you so much for sharing.

Uh, this is almost like this 180
degrees, like Yeah, it's, it's.

I just love, I have

Turid: a reputation for not being very
nice with people, and I admit that

I, I, I need to tell them the truth,
which is not very nice sometimes.

That's it.

My mission is to help

Anke: dogs.

I love that, and that's how it is.

Thank you so much.

Thanks for coming and thanks
for sharing, and I've thoroughly

enjoyed the conversation.

Good luck with everything.

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